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    Summers…: I am not a guide or professional instructor, but I have occasionally mentored younger riders in mountaineering situations. Traditionally, in the climbing community, mentoring is the best way to learn, where a much more experienced partner is willing to take out the younger less experienced person-sometimes this approach also results in a very strong partnership. More recently, there are some guides in the US who teach ski/snowboard mountaineering, but I am not sure how advanced a level these services may provide. In Europe, guiding is much more well established, and reputable guides can be hired for most any descent.
    The fact that you are 25, and already asking yourself these questions, shows to me that you are on the right path already-the most important thing you can do right now is to be patient, this should be easy (because you have so many years of riding ahead of you) but is often hard for the young mind to accept. I am almost double your age, and I still expect to be riding steep high mountain lines for many years, so remember that you can always walk away and come back another day, or year.

    RE: DEEPER, and Jones. In my point of view, Jeremy has already backed off his riding to a more manageable level-I think part of the reason he has adopted the slower pace of the splitboard and climbing lines is calculated to keep himself alive and safer. By taking the slower approach (vs the high pressure world of heli riding) he is taking much more time in an intimate relationship with the mountains, which should ultimately keep him more “in tune” with his surroundings. Anyone who has experienced the rushed pace of heli riding knows how weird it can be in terms of feeling disconnected from the mountain environment (one of my frequent partners used to compare heli riding to doing cocaine, an apt comparison in my POV). Interestingly, it appears to me that Xavier Delerue is also making a similar transition, in that he is now climbing quite a few of his lines in order to really suss out the conditions, rather than always just being dropped off by a heli and charging it.

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    BTW… Karkis… please provide a translator for your entire post. I’ll read it tonite after I get “cheech’d”

    hmmmm i thot i was bein all legible n shit….
    puff pufff pass….
    ? what i was sayin…..? :scratch:

    -unstable snow,perched in all kindsa places
    -gnarly sketchy lookin lines, ‘fall ya die!’

    ‘trippin, you were tryin ta focus on the latter, tha gnar…. i think the hazard is a bit overrated, perceived risk is high, intimidation keeps people away, those who get into it generally approach w caution, in good conditions (minimal avy hazard), and generally the issues are manageable… jump turns, sideslip, use an axe, ice screw, pins, rope, whatever, tech probs gots techy solutions, with practise, learning, ya know when to apply what, safety third…. skiin fast n lookin good are a whole nuther challenge…

    alot of people bring up avy haz since its probably the biggest risk out there…
    besides hittin a tree!! 😳 (probably the most underrated issue around)
    most good shreddin is in avy terrain, and the zones that trend into the gnar are often more prone to avalanches… more frequent, easier to trigger…
    but, the bigger wider open lines that you can rilly rip…. those can rilly rip too, and if youre rippin when theyre rippin, there can be a whole lotta snow flowin!!! ltfo!! slides on gentler terrain also tend to include alot of unmanagable, infrequent, persistant, deep and less predictable events, at least in my hood, buried surface hoar n shit… (lets try to ignore, for now, any nov. rain crust giving results on steep terrain… 🙄 )

    i was just agreein that avy hazard is a big issue out there and i guess it tends to be experts who get washed out of expert terrain while novices, and experts too, can get bit by the dragon on easier, not gnar, terrain…
    i hope you can understand the idiolect… try burn another!?!

    oh yeh i re read the op and realised your question was actually, if we listen to any internal voices…
    i do kinda tune in a bit, try not to miss anything important but at the same time theres alot of shit goin on in there and its not all useful…. if it seems important i try it out loud and see how it sounds…

    peas all!!

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    Karkis you’re writing reminds me alot of another full on mental rip dog whom got me into boarding. But, really good advice brother :thatrocks: Yer 100% right on zee avy steez meng…. So many factors involved there it would have taken away from my train of thought. And it’s hard enough being a Polish high ass w/o derailing my brain-train. I was trying to focus on the ol’ internal alarm, and how others approach that when in exposed terrain.

    Barrows… I really appreciate the excellent advice you’ve been busting out…I think it’s super important for younger splitters to take heed to. Especially when you have movies like Deeper that may prematurely encourage BC travellers, and I bet if you grabbed most young splitter/AT’er/Knee-droppin-gnob-gobbers they probably can’t even read a map.

    Summers(Bush-Balls) Yer going to be sittin pretty buddy, and I wish I had gotten started in the BC when I was 25…I’d only been riding a couple years by then. I was too busy riding parks of MN, and when I did start exploring..I had no partners to go with, or good resources. I was lucky enough to meet up with some BC riders in Utah while my band was on tour in the mid 90’s. With all the tech out there now, and resources… it’s a good time to be humble, do the research, go with a small crew, and be safe. Ya mountain livin’ lucky little bitch 😉 :thumpsup: Now if we could get you to man up on Chong-a-phone :doobie: …you’ll be golden.

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    @karkis wrote:

    Now if we could get you to man up on Chong-a-phone

    Ronald, what are you talking about? Can Karkis translate this? I just made some sweet brownies that knock your socks off. :doobie:

    Barrows, thanks for the sound advice, very good for the young splitters out there.

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    @splitrippin wrote:

    I wanted to get others thoughts on a simple question. When does a line objective become too much, and do we all back down when the internal meters go off ?

    How many of us really listen to the internal voices?

    I read a few responses, but I didn’t want to sway my opinion.

    ‘too much’ is subjective and can’t be quantified. So many variables. conditions, exposure, remoteness, confidence in your partners or self due to lack of. Sometimes I’m feelin it, and sometimes I am not, but never just push the send button with out editing… and sometimes it’s just like, no, not today.

    Just got home from a 5 day trip where we spent a miserable 24 hours with no food or shelter with our camp 15 miles away because we chose to take a safe route down after getting sketched on our original plan. our only yellow flag was 2 of 3 thinking the snow didn’t feel right, and no one was willing to accept the consequences of the possible outcome.

    I did read part of a karkis repsonse and agree with the notion that it isn’t always so much the terrain, but how you ride it. gnar is an attitude, terrain just is. are you gonna rip that shit, or ride it conservativly?

    Trees don’t move. not even for the stinky hippies who love them.

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