Forums Splitboards What’s the deal? My Rossi XV and some old man bitching.
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  • #579198
    BGnight
    1382 Posts

    example: Jones Flagship retail: $549
    Jones Solution retail: $849

    This is the same across the industry. There’s no way it cost $300 more to cut a board in half and add an extra edge. And Both boards have inserts. They’re just in different places. I believe this price difference is total bullshit.

    I just bought a Rossi XV magtek splitboard for $599 retail (stoked!). The same board in a solid is going for $529 retail. That’s how it should be. Splitboard prices are a huge ripoff. (And don’t give me the “but it’s made in China bro” crap.)

    #672249
    Swedish-banana
    147 Posts

    @bgnight wrote:

    example: Jones Flagship retail: $549
    Jones Solution retail: $849

    This is the same across the industry. There’s no way it cost $300 more to cut a board in half and add an extra edge. And Both boards have inserts. They’re just in different places. I believe this price difference is total bullshit.

    I just bought a Rossi XV magtek splitboard for $599 retail (stoked!). The same board in a solid is going for $529 retail. That’s how it should be. Splitboard prices are a huge ripoff. (And don’t give me the “but it’s made in China bro” crap.)

    Splitboards sell in a much less capacity.
    Less sales -> higher price.

    That said, I totally agree that splitboards are a tiny weeny bit overpriced.
    But since you metioned China, a worker there gets paid so little that Rossi is probably making more money on that board than any other company selling boards for $850 (assuming they produce in US, Canada or Europe where a worker gets paid a bit better.

    #672250
    peacefrog
    376 Posts

    I could be way off here but I’m guessing that splitboards aren’t made by laying up, a board pressing it, cutting it in half, then adding and interior edge. My guess is that you lay up each ski separately, then press it. It this case it’s not that the material costs more it’s that labor costs more. It’s going to be about the same amount of labor to lay up one half of a splitboard as it does to lay up an entire snowboard.
    I’d say rather then comparing spltiboard prices to snowboards you should be comparing them to skis. I haven’t bought skis so I don’t know what that comparison is.

    Plus,
    They’re made in China Bro!

    Edit
    BG are you fucking high?
    http://store.rossignol.com/products/689072?action_type=changeproduct&selectedproduct=0365ad2ceaeab99a1029463720595efe

    http://www.backcountry.com/rossignol-xv-magtek-splitboard

    http://www.amazon.com/Rossignol-Magtek-Splitboard-Split-Color/dp/B00FG078C2


    retail for the XV split is $999">http://bergsskishop.com/xv-magtek-splitboard-split-kit-mens-p28207c2662.html
    retail for the XV split is $999

    #672251
    BGnight
    1382 Posts

    But there’s probably another 4 or 5 companies that make their boards in China that are charging $200-$300 more for their splits vs solids. I don’t buy that it costs 30%+ more due to labor to make a split vs a solid. The stoner kid at the prior factory is probably only getting paid $15/hour. Let’s say it takes him 4 hours more to lay up a solid than a split (that’s generous). That’s $60 more in labor. Not sure how much these Co.’s are paying for chinese hooks and tip clips by bulk but I doubt it’s too much (I’d guess this is the most expensive part). The boards are already severely overpriced. I think even if it’s a tad more hassle and material they shouldn’t be charging so much more vs a solid. And seeing how Rossi is so established and can probably afford it, I think they’re looking to cash in on offering the cheapest splits out there rather than be the same as everyone else and not stand out in the marketplace. (I think Rome splits are the same in pricing?) I dunno, I’m just rambling. I’d rather support a company who can give me a sick split for $600 retail than say Never Summer or Prior who charge 40% more. Who cares if the quality is lacking (I doubt they’re any different). I can buy 2 fucking boards instead of one! 😀

    But you’re right. Ski’s are fucking expensive. Fuck this sport. I’m taking up snowshoeing.

    #672252
    BGnight
    1382 Posts

    Dude! You’re quoting their whole split PACKAGE for $999. The split itself is only $599.

    Anyway, enough bitching about prices (the whole point of this gay ass thread), I’m stoked to ride this thing! I had the old 163 experience and loved it. Can’t wait to see how this opposite flex pattern rides. And I’m stoked that XV added 9mm of taper and kept the somewhat longer sidecut (9.4: comparable to a solution)
    I wanted to get a custom made board via prior but it was gonna cost me roughly $1300-$1400! 😯

    #672253
    96avs01
    874 Posts

    Get this man some snow in Tahoe pronto! 😉

    165 Venture Divide/Spark Frankenburners/La Sportiva Spantiks
    163W Jones Solution/Phantom Alphas/Dynafit TLT5s
    162 Furberg

    Chris

    #672254
    wasatch surf
    979 Posts

    @bgnight wrote:

    example: Jones Flagship retail: $549
    Jones Solution retail: $849

    This is the same across the industry. There’s no way it cost $300 more to cut a board in half and add an extra edge. And Both boards have inserts. They’re just in different places. I believe this price difference is total bullshit.

    I just bought a Rossi XV magtek splitboard for $599 retail (stoked!). The same board in a solid is going for $529 retail. That’s how it should be. Splitboard prices are a huge ripoff. (And don’t give me the “but it’s made in China bro” crap.)

    not how splitboards are made at all. having built both solid and splits for 2 different companies splitboards require several more man hours per board laying up the board vs building a solid. not to mention design, mold, and press cost all go up as well. That is why you see the inflated price.

    #672255
    silver
    167 Posts

    @96avs01 wrote:

    Get this man some snow in Tahoe pronto! 😉

    This. Yes this. Now.

    I’m dreaming of powder more often than sex these days. I just bought a new pair of snowboard boots I don’t really need and can’t really afford. If it doesn’t snow soon I’m gonna have to drive to where the fluffy stuff exists or do something really extreme like start posting on internet message boards again. Shit, that just happened.

    Also, I bet that XV would be sick mounted with dynafits and tlt5s! :mrgreen:

    #672256
    firstlight
    721 Posts

    BG
    Let us know what you think of the Rossi
    Be carfull, they have had a few snap!
    Loved mine this season in NZ.

    Cheers

    Just started making boards and the time to make a split RIGHT is probably twice as long.
    Remember 2 x edges, 2 x side walls and 2 x inserts.
    Its not the cost of the materials its the time to fit them.
    Ozzie labour is $$$$$$$$$ 😆

    Adam West

    www.firstlightsurfboards.com.au
    www.firstlightsnowboards.com.au
    www.splitfest.com.au
    www.snowsafety.com.au
    www.mrbc.com.au
    www.backcountryglobal.com
    www.alpinefirstaid.com.au

    #672257
    peacefrog
    376 Posts

    @bgnight wrote:

    Dude! You’re quoting their whole split PACKAGE for $999. The split itself is only $599.

    Anyway, enough bitching about prices (the whole point of this gay ass thread), I’m stoked to ride this thing! I had the old 163 experience and loved it. Can’t wait to see how this opposite flex pattern rides. And I’m stoked that XV added 9mm of taper and kept the somewhat longer sidecut (9.4: comparable to a solution)
    I wanted to get a custom made board via prior but it was gonna cost me roughly $1300-$1400! 😯

    Sorry I meant that as two separate ideas.
    I was just wondering if you were high :doobie:
    and if so, I was providing some links for you to waste time surfing on 😀

    #672258
    barrows
    1490 Posts

    Brooks,

    Me thinks it is time for you to take a factory tour of some of the well established builders in the US. I have visited both Venture and Never Summer factories, and seen their production process. I would estimate there is about twice as much labor (man hours) in building a split as building the same board in a solid. This is also skilled labor.
    You have every right to spend your money as you choose, but it is inaccurate to suggest that current split prices are a rip off in any way. I do not know of anyone who is getting rich off of building splitboards.

    #672259
    Matt Wood
    328 Posts

    Obamaboards. :thumpsup:

    #672260
    Killclimbz
    1165 Posts

    It is at least twice the effort to build a split as compared to a solid deck. Skis take about 1.5 times a solid, doing a split where you have a tight fit, takes even longer. Barrows is dead on.

    #672261
    cometogether
    385 Posts

    I built skis and snowboards and I don’t buy the extra labor time- a splitboard is basically skis :scratch: .. Solid boards are the easiest and fastest, skis and split boards would be virtually identical as far as time to build goes. ITS ALL IN THE MOLD.

    On a Rossi note: I have two of these splits! ( local rep Thank you :thumpsup: ) I cant wait to give them a test, I’ve been talking with the head snowboard guy at Rossi and he is rad. As a loyal Rossi board shredder(past 5 seasons) I am excited to see how strong this board is. It is a little stiff for me but should do well with the cam rock and shovel tip nose. I am bugging Rossi to make the one mag tek in a split 159. I think this board would satisfy a lot of riders, as it is just like they say in there add, a quiver killer- do all board. I will be splitting another 159 one mag this year despite having the XV split.

    firstlight– please explain the issues you’ve experienced with this deck, you said snapped.. what exactly snapped? the core, the sidewall, the topsheet?

    Rossignol is not the strongest board in the world but for the price point they do the job pretty well.

    I will give a review after I get on this board. saving the perfect base for a softer time of year.

    #672262
    barrows
    1490 Posts

    Eric: you got it all wrong. Skis are built separately (of course they cost $800 as well), and they do not have to fit tightly together with a perfectly cut seam and act as a single board.
    Splitboards are molded as one board, and then cut, then the holes for the clips have to be drilled very, very precisely in a jig, this is all takes time. As mentioned here, anyone who knows has suggested that about twice as much skilled hand labor goes into split production as a solid. I watched the entire process at Never Summer and can confirm this to be true.
    This additional skilled labor time is where the additional expense comes from.

    #672263
    fustercluck
    668 Posts

    It seems like as more companies are making splits, it’s becoming easier to find deals. Of course, retail is for suckers. But you can pick up a brand new Venture out of their bargain bin for a few bucks more than that Rossi. I’ve seen Gnu and Voile splits in that price range, as well. All made in the US. Maybe not the latest model, but there is quality to be had if you look around. But for a guy known for setting skintracks in obscure spots to protect his secret stash, I would think you’d be a proponent of pricier boards so as to make it less accessible to the masses. 😆

    #672264
    dangraham
    51 Posts

    The rossignol dealer that I spoke with felt that the pricing of the board was due to it being what retail refers to as a lost leader. Rossi recognizes that they have stayed out of the splitboard business too long, and are quite likely just going with this aggressive pricing strategy to get people on their boards/build customer loyalty and good word of mouth.

    #672265
    firstlight
    721 Posts

    @cometogether wrote:

    firstlight– please explain the issues you’ve experienced with this deck, you said snapped.. what exactly snapped? the core, the sidewall, the topsheet?

    A mate in NZ snapped his on the heal edge ski just in front of the front foot.
    Full snap across the topsheet to the core, sidwalls intact on both side.
    He posts here so he may come up with the photos once the board is replace under warranty.

    I love the board and rode it this season with no quality issues other than the voile ying yang hooks didnt even come close to touching on 4/5 board in stock. supper sloppy out of the box
    K clips fixed this, but I think they tuned the inside edge at the factory after drilling the ying yang holes.
    You would need to put the K clips to fix this so there’s another 50 Bucks!

    The guy in NZ had the same issue with sloppy board halves.

    Cheers

    Adam West

    www.firstlightsurfboards.com.au
    www.firstlightsnowboards.com.au
    www.splitfest.com.au
    www.snowsafety.com.au
    www.mrbc.com.au
    www.backcountryglobal.com
    www.alpinefirstaid.com.au

    #672266
    Jefe009
    675 Posts

    Check with RyanIrv, he’s lurking around on this board somewhere… he snapped one of those Rossi XV splits riding it late last season.

    www.splitlife.net

    #672267
    BGnight
    1382 Posts

    I guess weighing only 145 lbs has it’s advantages. I ain’t ever snapped a board in my life. These boards are thin and I could see how a 220lb dude could snap one. I’d probably stay away if I was on the heavier side,….or Ben Starkey! 😆

    Fyi, the 167 i just got in the mail feels pretty good. It’s light! The chinese hooks are solid and well placed but the tip clip is terribly placed. I’m not bothering going to K clips. I for one think the riding difference between the two is non existent. K clips are cooler and all but voile hooks are so much easier to use in the field.

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