Forums Splitboard Talk Forum What’s up with Mervin?
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  • #567137
    bcrider
    4150 Posts

    They won’t return my numerous emails about putting their Magne Traction technology into a splitboard (but they will do it for skis). 😕

    Am I foolish to expect a reply from Mervin as opposed to the brush-off?

    I thought they’d be stoked on a little grassroot innovation. 😥

    #584068
    dave
    100 Posts

    isnt that new technology designed for hardpack anyways? splits are for powder. hence the no reply.

    IMO

    ???????

    #584069
    bcrider
    4150 Posts

    @dave wrote:

    isnt that new technology designed for hardpack anyways? splits are for powder. hence the no reply.

    IMO

    ???????

    splitboards are for backcountry snowboarding.
    backcountry snowboarding covers more than just powder.

    IMO 😉

    #584070
    dave
    100 Posts

    point well taken

    💡 sometimes we don’t always hear what we want to though.

    #584071
    Killclimbz
    1165 Posts

    Isn’t Mervin under a larger corp these days? You know who I would be interested in making some splitboards would be Donek. They are a small operation around here and partnered with Bomber. I think they are an ideal company to start producing a few splits.

    #584072
    bcrider
    4150 Posts

    yeah but they dont make Magne Traction…

    something that looks like it could have some reall advantages in firm snow and/or bcriding/snowboard mountaineering.

    I agree though…when a company reaches a certain size the focus usually changes.

    #584073
    NoKnees
    336 Posts

    Kill, I concur. I’ve been a Donek fan for a while and still have an older 168 Incline as my early season rock board. Great quality and customer service…

    I called Sean a couple years ago when I was considering splitting my Incline, but didn’t get around to asking him what it would take for him to build some splits… Someone should go over and talk to him to see what it would take for him to throw something together.

    Okay, guess this has turned into a bit of thread-creep, but still… Anyone local to them want to chat it up with Sean or someone else there and see?

    Greg - NoKnees

    #584074
    Killclimbz
    1165 Posts

    I suppose I can shoot him an email and see if he wants to start a discusion. I haven’t owned any of his boards, but I have demo’d a few and they are of excellent quality. I am surprised he hasn’t jumped on this yet.
    BCRider, sorry to hijack a little bit. The Magne Traction is interesting. Maybe it’s like the shape ski revolution, I’ll have to go to Colorado Ski and Golf and see if they have any of those boards to check out. It also seems a little gimmicky to me at the moment and maybe something less “advanced” riders might get more use out. Then again the testimomials are from experts.
    Another thought is Steepwater boards. They are designed for steeps and icy conditions. Why haven’t they gotten on the splitboard ride? 🙄

    #584075
    lifelinksplit
    282 Posts

    Carversplit has a custom donek split. It is more geared towards a race style, but the thing is friggin sweet. Maybe he’ll see this and chime in but I think he was pretty happy with the process. Maybe he’ll show up at scrubfest again with it.

    #584076
    Zach
    127 Posts

    FYI – Sean at Donek is setting me up with boards now… So, you can probably guess what we’ve been talking about for the past few weeks :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

    Donek is a pretty small shop… which is good in that they make everything in-house, including cores, so they can be pretty flexible. It’s challenging, though, in that their resources are limited. Sean is into making splits, but there is a significant hurdle of up-front costs to get over.

    Sean has put it to me, in so many words, that if he gets enough interest he will take that step….

    I think it would be a tremendous bonus for the splitboarding community to have the variety of shapes that Donek can make, available to us.

    SOOOO, give him a call… let him know that you want a split :mrgreen:

    Zach

    #584077
    nascent
    5 Posts

    I’m sure Donek makes a great product and all but what I really want to see a “splitboard onlyâ€Â

    #584078
    Zach
    127 Posts

    nascent,

    There are only two directions that innovation can go/come from in the next 10 or so years.

    1. Voile – they, and they alone, have the ability to improve the interface… I’m not sure if you’re aware of this or not, but they hold the patents that cover every element of splitboards. That’s part of the reason why everyone uses their interface… the other reasons being durability, simplicity, etc… all the things we love about it.

    2. Board shape – this will come from more manufacturers being in the game, and why not tuilize the experience and resources of board-makers who have been honing their skills on solid boards? The principles are pretty much the same.

    Zach

    #584079
    Killclimbz
    1165 Posts

    I’ll send Sean an email. I live probably 20 minutes from his shop so it wouldn’t be too big of a deal for a face to face. Plus I got a few ideas that may help him out. I’ve thought about asking him to do a custom split, but his custom jobs are around $1K. A bit rich for my blood…

    #584080
    Ecobrad
    2068 Posts

    There are only two directions that innovation can go/come from in the next 10 or so years…1. Voile – they, and they alone, have the ability to improve the interface and 2. Board shape – this will come from more manufacturers being in the game

    Wow, that’s a pretty provacative statement/prediction. I still think that another interface has the potential to surface. My prediction is that Voile, current board makers, AND a few to several mom and pop innovators/ entreupenuers will drive improvements so that in the next five to 10 years there will be options…including split specific boots and bindings.

    #584081
    Zach
    127 Posts

    Boots and bindings are an entirely different conversation…

    I’m talking directly about the splitboard system itsself. Their is an unavoidable reality that Voile holds the patents for a.) splitting a board in half for the purpose of touring and b.) an interface to hold the two halves together. I haven’t seen any evidence that this patent can be circumvented, and they’ve got at least 10 years left on it.

    Burton tried to put another interface on the market, but they were not successful in beating the Voile patent, legally. Consequently, they were working under some sort of a licensing agreement with Voile… I don’t know the exact details.

    Zach

    #584082
    nascent
    5 Posts

    Zach,

    I can think of a few things that could be done right now to push the innovation without infringing on the Voile patents whatsoever.

    And why do you assume Voile would try to block innovation in the first place. They are good people and they want to see the sport grow and evolve too.

    Why they wont (and shouldn’t) let a company license their designs for free, they surely aren’t interested in blocking innovation if somebody has the vision. It just comes for a price.

    Saying that there will be no innovation in the next 10 years or that it will ONLY come from Voile is cynical. This type of attitude won’t get us anywhere.

    #584083
    Zach
    127 Posts

    I don’t think I have a cynical perspective, at all… Nor do I think that Voile’s motivation is to block innovation.

    They do, however, have a vested interest in capitalizing on their work and their patents. They vigorously defended their interests against Burton’s attempts, and they would clearly do it again.

    I think the experience that Burton went through is clear evidence that the ball is firmly in Voile’s court. Even with the resources that Burton has at its’ disposal, Burton was unable to make a solid, economic case for using their own interface. The costs of manufacturing, servicing, and R&D when added to their licensing agreement with Voile, made it impossible for them to support the product…. they couldn’t sell it at a price that would even cover their costs.

    There’s no question that we all want the interface to improve, but the consumers have already shown that they won’t bare a price-point above $800… that leaves Voile holding all the cards.

    Let me also add:

    I don’t think that it’s constitutionally a bad thing that Voile has such air-tight patents. It allowed them to introduce a revolutionary product to the market, without the fear of being trampled by larger companies… patents are designed to protcet the interest of innovators.

    I was happy to see Burton drop their interface from the market, and I expect to see Voile improving on their design.. They’ve told me that they are looking at some incremental improvements, already.

    It’s also important to understand that the splitboard market is still very small… the size of market that we need to take the big steps that people seem to want out of the product offerings, will take a while to acheive.

    #584084
    nascent
    5 Posts

    @Zach wrote:

    There’s no question that we all want the interface to improve

    There is more to improving the splitboard experience than just making the interface better. In all honesty, because of the great job Voile has done, the interface is one of the last things that needs to be improved.

    #584085
    Zach
    127 Posts

    Let me also add:

    I don’t think that it’s constitutionally a bad thing that Voile has such air-tight patents. It allowed them to introduce a revolutionary product to the market, without the fear of being trampled by larger companies… patents are designed to protcet the interest of innovators.

    I was happy to see Burton drop their interface from the market, and I expect to see Voile improving on their design.. They’ve told me that they are looking at some incremental improvements, already.

    It’s also important to understand that the splitboard market is still very small… the size of market that we need to take the big steps that people seem to want out of the product offerings, will take a while to acheive.

    #584086
    Zach
    127 Posts

    @nascent wrote:

    @Zach wrote:

    There’s no question that we all want the interface to improve

    There is more to improving the splitboard experience than just making the interface better. In all honesty, because of the great job Voile has done, the interface is one of the last things that needs to be improved.

    What would you want to see improved?

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