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    Powder_Rider
    498 Posts

    Looking at the waxless Voile Vector BC AT Ski at the local Mtn shop. I laid the ski on top of a splitboard-ski (split-ski) and had a-ha 💡 moment.

    What if a splitboard manufacture could offer a waxless base? A waxless base inset into the split-ski:

    Waxless base specs :
    [*]Length: between the touring post (or the front binding) and the heel lifter or rear binding).
    [*] Width: 5 to 10 cm in from the edges. so as not to impede the speed while carving or skating on a split-ski. This would also allow the skin to maintain a seal next to the edges.

    [*]camber between the bindings.

    What I am looking for is a waxless base that will allow to split-tour over rolling terrain. Not for climbing up a steep slope. Just enough waxless base to maintain forward momentum touring up and down a slight grade. By down a slight grade, I mean wear my split-skins do not glide down the fire road (snowmobile road) or trail and it is not steep enough to split-ski out (maintain momentum) with-out skins. Hence on a long split-tour; it a real slog!

    Voile cutout base of their Voile Vector BC AT Ski and inset a waxless base So there is no reason this could not be down for a splitboard.

    Are you in-favor a Waxless Split-Ski Base as I have describe in this thread.

    #673148
    the.big.van
    15 Posts

    Call has already been made to Voile,waiting on an answer

    #673149
    MHolmes
    190 Posts

    Yup I’d be into it. Any issue with skins sticking to those bases because of the texture?

    #673150
    chrishami
    194 Posts

    Wouldn’t this eliminate the possibility of riding switch? That is not something I could live with though I’m sure many wouldn’t mind it.

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    #673151
    MHolmes
    190 Posts

    Definitely a quiver board.

    #673152
    moridinbg
    150 Posts

    I have only heard about the wax less base ski, but I can imagine, that this will hinder speed and glide in plenty situations, where the snow is softer and the board sinks in it. Not only powder, but generally softer snow.
    On the other hand it would make for a good touring board for long hikes on mostly flat terrain or harder conditions.

    #673153
    Powder_Rider
    498 Posts

    I have only heard about the wax less base ski, but I can imagine, that this will hinder speed and glide in plenty situations, where the snow is softer and the board sinks in it. Not only powder, but generally softer snow.

    I do not think what I am proposing as a waxless base will hinder speed in softer snow. What I am looking for is a minimum of a waxless base to maintain forward momentum in rolling terrain. hence a inset waxless base with a waxless pocket just under the foot and 10 cm less than the width of the split-ski.

    This is where a split-board company (who has resources) could test such a split-board so as to find the sweet-spot and not lose speed in soft-snow.

    #673154
    Snowolf
    86 Posts

    As someone who used to do a lot of Nordic, there is appeal to this idea! The only issue I would have with it is my switch riding as was previously mentioned. Just a thought here but could something like this be engineered in the form of a type of “skin”? Like a very narrow, slippery skin with just a small amount of traction area under the binding so it glides really well (much better than full skin) Maybe based on the Gecko glueless type skin…. :scratch:

    #673156
    shredgnar
    643 Posts

    Definitely a quiver board. Might as well make it super light weight while you are at it because it will only fit that genre of buyers. Anyone who has ridden a “fish scaled” base on skis can tell you that there is definitely some drag and it can decrease glide quite a bit depending on the snow conditions.

    Sure could set the xc snowboarding world afire 😛

    #673155
    MHolmes
    190 Posts

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    #673157
    HansGLudwig
    601 Posts

    ^^^ 😆 I just laughed so hard there’s tears in my eyes!

    Back to the OP.
    I don’t really see it working.
    You’ll need a double cambered arc under the touring bracket, not just the single arc of a normal cambered board. That way you can achieve the semi-weighted (slide) and fully weighted (grip) flexes necessary; and who knows what that will do for ride quality.

    Also, I hate waxless skis. The scales slow me down too much on the downhill and I hate that zipper sound EVERYWHERE I go. Much better to delve into the alchemy of waxes…but not on a snowboard.

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    #673158
    Zude
    367 Posts

    Florinated wax is weird shit

    #673159
    Zude
    367 Posts

    No scales just magic carpet that springs out of the board

    #673160
    mofoco
    94 Posts

    I was just XC skiing this weekend, and had the same thought. I think someone just needs to do it. No doubt there’s not a whole lot of a market for it right now, but as splitboarding keeps evolving, the masses will demand a fishscaled board for their splitboard randonee setups…

    Can’t believe there are 60+ splitboard models for sale this season, and not one has scales…

    A couple ways to get there:

    -DIY fish scale/patterned base on an older, cambered board with woodworking tools/soldering iron. “Yeah, it’s my rock/approach board”
    -“Base transplant” from an XC ski. Tricky…
    -Kicker skins. These look great. Just order super long skins next time, and use the extra to make your kicker skins.
    http://www.agavegroup.com/?page_id=62

    #673161
    mofoco
    94 Posts

    Check out this routed-in skin section:

    “The Atomic Skintec waxless base, which uses inserted mohair strips on the ski base, is extremely effective for all temperatures and snow conditions. It is the high performance waxless base technology for the classic skier, who prefers to use a waxless ski. The Skintec strips are produced by a Swiss manufacturer of climbing skins and they do not ice up because they have a Teflon-like material that is resistant to freezing. Skintec is available on the Vasa Skintec, a specific ski model that has a flex that was created in conjunction with the Skintec material so that it rides above the snow in the glide phase, but is easy to kick down for excellent grip during the kick phase.”

    #673162
    mofoco
    94 Posts

    DIY scales. Almost too easy…

    http://www.skibuilders.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1373&highlight=scales+fish

    “So taking the first steps in getting rid of the skins I took the router to the bases of my first skis.
    I took a measurement from some “guide” skis and found that the base was patterened 7″ in front of pin and 14″ behind. I set the skis up on some blocks and clamped them in place. I then set up a jig to try to match the skis pattern left to right. I used the router with a small cutting bit. Set the dept of the plunge on the router. On the router there is a plastic plate for the base. I unscred it and inserted some wood shims to achieve the angle and reinstalled the screws. Next was to line up the router, plunge it, once it reached the depth, I pulled it towards the tail while releasing the plunge to gain the angle.”

    #673163
    Snurfer
    1448 Posts

    I get the premise, but one thing that has me questioning this for anything except mostly flat terrain (e.g. x-country and skate skiing) is the pro skimo scene.

    They routinely have skin failures during races (loss of adhesion) and carry extra skins, or borrow from teammates – It seems logical they should just get rid of skins altogether and go this route, but they don’t. I’m guessing this technology is not so good for ascending steeply. Interestingly, most of the skimo racers I’m aware of don’t have climbing heels either.

    At any rate I voted no because I have no need for this, but thought the skimo anecdote was worth mentioning.

    Cheers!

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    #673164
    iriecoyote
    291 Posts

    You’re correct, Snurfer, fish scales wouldn’t be effective on anything very steep. But for long approaches/exits on flat and rolling terrain it would be much faster and consume less energy than skins.

    Mofoco, thanks for that link. I would totally do that to a cambered DIY board.

    #673165
    powslash
    382 Posts

    @stuka wrote:

    But for long approaches/exits on flat and rolling terrain it would be much faster and consume less energy than skins.

    I’m thinking kicker skins for the long road out. A fishscale board would be slow riding yeah? I don’t need a slow board.

    DIY it up and tell us how it does. Kinda curious.

    #673166
    Matt a.d.
    35 Posts

    Just learn to skate the split. It’s really not that hard if you do your boots up tight. You will definitely bail hilariously in front of your friends the first… 20 or 30 times you try it, but it will at least lighten the mood of those long slogs back to the truck.

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