Forums Splitboards Voile Revelator – long taper, long scr shape?
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  • #579830
    Taylor
    786 Posts

    Looks like a long taper, maybe long scr shape from Voile.

    Anybody got beta?

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    #675931
    Snurfer
    1448 Posts

    This is the fish scale thingy
    http://www.voile.com/voile-splitboards/voile-revelator-bc-splitboard-2014-2015.html

    Shark Snowsurf Chuna
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    #675932
    HansGLudwig
    601 Posts

    Methinks Mojo + scales = Revelator.
    I can’t find the Mojo specs but what I do remember checks out: ≈ 8—9.5 m sidecut, 3 mm setback, early rise rocker, 2-3 cm taper

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    #675933
    aliasptr
    282 Posts

    Here are the specs from 2009 for the Mojo.

    I loved my Mojo! It changed my riding and I even started riding it inbounds as it was my first really big stiff board.

    Didn’t realize what the Revealtor’s deal was. Very interesting.

    #675934
    Snurfer
    1448 Posts

    and here I thought I was being all helpful and stuff – the specs are on the page I linked to 😀

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    #675935
    Taylor
    786 Posts

    Ah. False alarm. Sorry. Thanks dudes.

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    #675936
    firstlight
    721 Posts

    Any one know if its cap or sidewall?

    Adam West

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    #675937
    the.big.van
    15 Posts

    Capped all the way around, lighter than I thought it would be.

    #675930
    firstlight
    721 Posts

    Any idea why they went back to cap?

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    #675929
    HansGLudwig
    601 Posts

    Here’re the specs I had in mind: from the 2012 Mojo. . .

    Comparing the largest sizes available 169 Revelator (left) to 171 Mojo (right); (thanks to Snurfer’s handy link). . .

    Length (cm) ***169 *** 171
    Effective Edge ***112.7 *** 122.5
    Sidecut (meter) ***9.4 *** 9
    Waist width ***26.5 *** 26
    Nose Width*** 30.8 *** 131.1 (huh? I think it’s a typo for 31)
    Tail Width ***29.4 *** 29
    Camber*** camber/early rise *** camber/early rise
    Nose Length*** 32.1 *** 32 (rocker?)
    Tail Length ***29 *** 16.5
    Stance *** -3 *** -3
    Stance Width *** 26 *** 25
    *grubles* I can’t get tabs to work!

    Pretty darn close to the same board with scales. . . close enough for jazz anyway.

    @firstlight wrote:

    Any one know if its cap or sidewall?

    Is “capped” that pinched, thinner part surrounding the core but not yet at the edge?

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    #675938
    jive stick
    110 Posts

    I’ve been on the 162 and 165. No idea if they are production models.
    Similar feel to the mojo. More power with a nice kick coming out of turns.
    No fish scales on the ones I tried.
    Capped = lighter board.
    Like the 165 better for float.
    Much nicer boards than the Artesans.

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    #675939
    barrows
    1490 Posts

    112.7 cm is a very short effective edge for a 169. This indicates a nice amount of reverse sidecut in the tip and tail, which should allow for smooth riding through variable conditions (even the slightest wind crust on pow can be disturbing to many boards at 50 MPH). Short effective edge also brings more pressure under foot, and allows for great float and control of the board from the center, rather than hooky feel of most boards. Decent amount of taper as well. Could be a cool board, sorry about the cap though, lighter, but usually cap boards have damping and durability problems…

    #675940
    Taylor
    786 Posts

    And it should pivot easily too. Upon seeing the long tapered shovel/tail shape I’d hoped they’d paired it with a long scr and rocker profile to match… I’d hoped Voile had busted out and gone revolutionary. But alas, the sub 10m rule stands. For low angle scale-skin laps on powder days this will be a functional shape, though. Nice to see 26″ stances on the bigger decks.

    I wonder why Voile went back to cap. Did they have problems with their sidewall boards? Lower production costs (they are coming it at a good pricepoint)? In my opinion, the durability costs don’t justify the weight benefits.

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    #675941
    firstlight
    721 Posts

    Taylor
    My thoughts exactly on the cap construction?
    The Artisan boards were very nice, not sure why they have gone back to cap?
    Might be due to it being a “prototype” style board.
    I’ve never used pattern bases so I’m interested in seeing how much grip there really is.

    The effective edge is interesting, my 170 has a 109 effective edge and I found it great in the pow with the long nose and tail.
    12mm of taper IMO is not that radical!

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    #675942
    jive stick
    110 Posts

    I snow board in powder, otherwise ski but…
    I have four pair of capped skis and two capped splitters.
    The 165 revelator I’m using is a beat to shit demo with two core shots.
    It has been to 40° slopes, no problem.
    Have not had any durability issues on any capped constructed skis or boards.
    I’ll take the light weight and not worry about urban legends.
    I’m also using kwicker bindings with old K2 Ace boots for safety, weight and ease of transition reasons so,
    as a geriatric spit boarder, works for me.

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    #675943
    moridinbg
    150 Posts

    Real 90s shredding with cap and kwicker!
    Scales sounds good, but how do they perform in the wet? Any problems with snow stiction?

    #675944
    barrows
    1490 Posts

    I am not in favor of the scales, I have a hard time imaging where they would really help (OK I guess on split ski exits with slight uphills and flats), but the downsides seem many: difficulty in waxing (one must remove all excess wax from the scale area, lest it contaminate skins), less adhesion of skins to the board in the scale area, more difficulty in repairing rock damage…
    I hope that Voile will also produce the Revelator with a traditional base option. This board is the best looking thing I have seen from Voile, I’ll bet it is a ripper.
    And I have no love for cap boards, yes they can be made a little lighter, but there are very good reasons that almost all board manufacturers abandoned cap construction years ago…

    #675945
    moridinbg
    150 Posts

    I don’t imagine myself ever buying a scaled board, it just sounds like a cool idea.
    I believe the purpose of scales is exactly to not use skins. Makes sense for saving weight and much better skiing. But most weight saving will be in wet skinning and to me so much uneven surface will only get full of snow, but they have been making fish scale skis for ages, so maybe it’s not that bad.

    I was wondering how do you wax the scales, but apparently you don’t… You wax only the normal flat section…

    Fascinating niche product.

    #675946
    Taylor
    786 Posts

    I was assuming this board was intended as a niche quiver board–one for low-angle approaches and storm days, not for reliable use with skins due to poorer adhesion from discontinuous contact with the base and snow wedging into the scale troughs.

    But maybe it works fine with skins.

    It’s too bad that Voile is so focused on scales and slider tracks when they talk about this board; in my opinion those are silly gimmicks compared to the shaping, which would be far more interesting to hear about.

    I agree with Barrows that this is a promising shape–a nice departure from Voile’s standard fare. I hope they offer larger sizes (c’mon, four lengths in a 10cm span? Really?), standard, non-scaled bases and (non-cap) construction. Give us a 180. This shape with a rocker-matched long SCR (suspicion thereof prompted this thread) would be, a la Furberg and DPS, stellar.

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    #675947
    BobGnarly
    220 Posts

    Why do you guys think that the rocker being the same radii as the sidecut matters? Rocker is dynamic and changes as soon as you weight the board.
    I bet you wouldnt notice a difference if it was 10m or 20m.

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