Forums DIY and Mods Thinking of cutting a Swallowtail worth it?
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  • #576829
    plastafara
    56 Posts

    Hey guys!
    It is worth to cut out a swallowtail when making DIY board, or what would be alternative for it, smaller cut like a Hovercraft Jones?
    How is a swallowtail really help when riding powder?
    Ziby

    #655207
    BobGnarly
    220 Posts

    For me cutting a swallowtail in my board was a total game changer. I gained a lot of control over my board and a true surfy feeling in powder.
    The down sides are switch riding obviously and pop for ollies, both of which are the last thing on my mind when conditions call for a swallowtail.

    IMO every powder board should have a swallow tail, chop it up!

    #655208
    firstlight
    721 Posts

    DO IT

    Adam West

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    #655209
    maniacdave
    564 Posts

    Swallowtails are fucking rad, especially on a longer board. Daily driver is a 172 Swallowtail, wouldn’t go much shorter than that. If it’s fairly short to begin with a smaller swallowtail/halfgun type cut may be more beneficial then a full on swallowtail cut. But yea, powder chargers they are!

    That was Pontus

    #655210
    chrisNZ
    304 Posts

    Do it… Good idea! could 1 just cut the tail off to get something that rides like a hovercraft shape?

    #655211
    plastafara
    56 Posts

    I saw this board on forum : viewtopic.php?f=16&t=12202
    is this swallowtail deep enough? or it can be any shape, could be a square? or more like hovercraft?
    Thx, Ziby

    #655212
    Snurfer
    1448 Posts

    The hovercraft is not a swallowtail…

    Shark Snowsurf Chuna
    Voile V-Tail 170 BC
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    Spark R&D Arc

    #655213
    plastafara
    56 Posts

    I know I do have one, but I am thinking of shape this DIY ride decade I am gonna make a split, is a deep cut swallowtail necessary? what shape is the best?

    #655214
    firstlight
    721 Posts

    Guys
    Im in the same boat as Snurfer
    I would class the hovercraft as a fish style board.
    The only advantage in going with a small swallow cut first is that you can then make it bigger.
    This is a board I cut

    After riding it I went bigger with the swallow

    Have a play around and see what you like.
    Some ideas are here

    Cheers

    Adam West

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    #655215
    BobGnarly
    220 Posts

    @plastafara wrote:

    I saw this board on forum : viewtopic.php?f=16&t=12202
    is this swallowtail deep enough? or it can be any shape, could be a square? or more like hovercraft?
    Thx, Ziby

    Personally I would go bigger. My theory is maximum surface area removal while maintaining the full effective edge and not losing too much strength.
    I went big and it changed the way I look at boards so much I am now building my own incorporating the same swallowtail design.

    Here is my chop job, I wouldn’t change a thing.

    #655216
    plastafara
    56 Posts

    Thank you very much for advise guys!
    Last question: Do I be able to ride a swallowtail board in versatile conditions like a spring time old snow, some times crusty and icy, groomers or just powder?
    Thx Ziby

    #655217
    BobGnarly
    220 Posts

    You can ride a swallowtail in any conditions, just not switch but powder is where they excel.

    #655218
    plastafara
    56 Posts

    Is a lack of tail clip in Swallowtail not a problem? is a board stay stiff enough?

    #655220
    Dan9
    44 Posts

    @plastafara wrote:

    Is a lack of tail clip in Swallowtail not a problem? is a board stay stiff enough?

    x2. :rock: I may do this to my DIY split since I rarely ride it switch and it was an experiment to begin with!

    Does the swallowtail improve edge-to-edge transition in deep or heavier snow?

    #655219
    BobGnarly
    220 Posts

    I cant comment on the clip as my board is a solid but I rode it in some pretty deep powder in japan, compared to my other board with a full tail and 164 length my 172 swallowtail was way more manuverable and agile I guess you could say.
    Check this vid, I simply couldnt bite into the snow like that with a full tail.
    [youtube:ap2zq2wj]bIG0G-91THk[/youtube:ap2zq2wj]

    #655221
    firstlight
    721 Posts

    plastafara
    You dont need the tail clip, the chinese hooks become the tail hook.
    The further the up the board the hooks are placed the more the tail will flex. Again play around with it.
    I even seen a few boards with no hooks on the tail and the board pucks are the last bits of hardware. I think Winterstick do it this way.

    Good luck

    Adam West

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    #655222
    NoKnees
    336 Posts

    I’d say it’s worth it… My primary split is a Prior 172st, so, it’s a factory split, but…. It rocks… I use it inbounds on pow days at the resorts as my go-to ride. Very quick surfy slashes and bottom turns… Still a lot of fun in spring corn. The 172 is still short enough for easy jumpturns in the steeps, but it does suffer a little in sluffed out icy chutes where edge hold is at a premium…

    As for the hardware, the Prior isn’t quite as crazy as the Winterstick in shape, allowing room for a set of Chinese hooks behind the rear pucks as the last point to join the halves. There is probably a minor loss in torsional stiffness, but you forget about it real quick when riding anything but ice or very hard windboard or sastrugi.

    A do it yourself, or mellower factory swallowtail than the Winterstick would be more versatile, at the cost of float in bottomless uber fluffy powder. So, think about your conditions and how often you will be on hard, icy, windboard type stuff.

    Greg - NoKnees

    #655223
    BobGnarly
    220 Posts

    Got my 164 stepchild powder OG in pre op at the moment.

    #655224
    BobGnarly
    220 Posts

    #655225
    benlee
    14 Posts

    Do it!!! I turned my split into a swallowtail at the end of the winter and have had a couple of spring/summer trips on it and it’s been superduper fun. Even only being on spring corn. Feels like surfing a shortboard. The only negative is my touring brackets are way far back now. It hasn’t been an issue yet, even climbing up Mt Adams, but I would still like to move them forward.

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