Forums DIY and Mods Thinking of cutting a Swallowtail worth it? Viewing 20 posts - 1 through 20 (of 20 total) Author Posts April 16, 2012 at 8:49 pm #576829 plastafara 56 Posts Hey guys! It is worth to cut out a swallowtail when making DIY board, or what would be alternative for it, smaller cut like a Hovercraft Jones? How is a swallowtail really help when riding powder? Ziby April 16, 2012 at 11:00 pm #655207 BobGnarly 220 Posts For me cutting a swallowtail in my board was a total game changer. I gained a lot of control over my board and a true surfy feeling in powder. The down sides are switch riding obviously and pop for ollies, both of which are the last thing on my mind when conditions call for a swallowtail. IMO every powder board should have a swallow tail, chop it up! April 17, 2012 at 1:17 am #655208 firstlight 721 Posts DO IT Adam West www.firstlightsurfboards.com.au www.firstlightsnowboards.com.au www.splitfest.com.au www.snowsafety.com.au www.mrbc.com.au www.backcountryglobal.com www.alpinefirstaid.com.au April 17, 2012 at 1:31 am #655209 maniacdave 564 Posts Swallowtails are fucking rad, especially on a longer board. Daily driver is a 172 Swallowtail, wouldn’t go much shorter than that. If it’s fairly short to begin with a smaller swallowtail/halfgun type cut may be more beneficial then a full on swallowtail cut. But yea, powder chargers they are! That was Pontus April 17, 2012 at 4:16 am #655210 chrisNZ 304 Posts Do it… Good idea! could 1 just cut the tail off to get something that rides like a hovercraft shape? April 17, 2012 at 6:15 pm #655211 plastafara 56 Posts I saw this board on forum : viewtopic.php?f=16&t=12202 is this swallowtail deep enough? or it can be any shape, could be a square? or more like hovercraft? Thx, Ziby April 17, 2012 at 8:02 pm #655212 Snurfer 1448 Posts The hovercraft is not a swallowtail… Shark Snowsurf Chuna Voile V-Tail 170 BC Voile One Ninety Five Spark R&D Arc April 17, 2012 at 8:56 pm #655213 plastafara 56 Posts I know I do have one, but I am thinking of shape this DIY ride decade I am gonna make a split, is a deep cut swallowtail necessary? what shape is the best? April 18, 2012 at 12:41 am #655214 firstlight 721 Posts Guys Im in the same boat as Snurfer I would class the hovercraft as a fish style board. The only advantage in going with a small swallow cut first is that you can then make it bigger. This is a board I cut After riding it I went bigger with the swallow Have a play around and see what you like. Some ideas are here Cheers Adam West www.firstlightsurfboards.com.au www.firstlightsnowboards.com.au www.splitfest.com.au www.snowsafety.com.au www.mrbc.com.au www.backcountryglobal.com www.alpinefirstaid.com.au April 18, 2012 at 2:06 am #655215 BobGnarly 220 Posts @plastafara wrote: I saw this board on forum : viewtopic.php?f=16&t=12202 is this swallowtail deep enough? or it can be any shape, could be a square? or more like hovercraft? Thx, Ziby Personally I would go bigger. My theory is maximum surface area removal while maintaining the full effective edge and not losing too much strength. I went big and it changed the way I look at boards so much I am now building my own incorporating the same swallowtail design. Here is my chop job, I wouldn’t change a thing. April 18, 2012 at 5:22 pm #655216 plastafara 56 Posts Thank you very much for advise guys! Last question: Do I be able to ride a swallowtail board in versatile conditions like a spring time old snow, some times crusty and icy, groomers or just powder? Thx Ziby April 18, 2012 at 6:53 pm #655217 BobGnarly 220 Posts You can ride a swallowtail in any conditions, just not switch but powder is where they excel. April 18, 2012 at 9:16 pm #655218 plastafara 56 Posts Is a lack of tail clip in Swallowtail not a problem? is a board stay stiff enough? April 19, 2012 at 12:45 am #655220 Dan9 44 Posts @plastafara wrote: Is a lack of tail clip in Swallowtail not a problem? is a board stay stiff enough? x2. :rock: I may do this to my DIY split since I rarely ride it switch and it was an experiment to begin with! Does the swallowtail improve edge-to-edge transition in deep or heavier snow? April 19, 2012 at 1:00 am #655219 BobGnarly 220 Posts I cant comment on the clip as my board is a solid but I rode it in some pretty deep powder in japan, compared to my other board with a full tail and 164 length my 172 swallowtail was way more manuverable and agile I guess you could say. Check this vid, I simply couldnt bite into the snow like that with a full tail. [youtube:ap2zq2wj]bIG0G-91THk[/youtube:ap2zq2wj] April 19, 2012 at 4:03 am #655221 firstlight 721 Posts plastafara You dont need the tail clip, the chinese hooks become the tail hook. The further the up the board the hooks are placed the more the tail will flex. Again play around with it. I even seen a few boards with no hooks on the tail and the board pucks are the last bits of hardware. I think Winterstick do it this way. Good luck Adam West www.firstlightsurfboards.com.au www.firstlightsnowboards.com.au www.splitfest.com.au www.snowsafety.com.au www.mrbc.com.au www.backcountryglobal.com www.alpinefirstaid.com.au April 19, 2012 at 9:49 pm #655222 NoKnees 336 Posts I’d say it’s worth it… My primary split is a Prior 172st, so, it’s a factory split, but…. It rocks… I use it inbounds on pow days at the resorts as my go-to ride. Very quick surfy slashes and bottom turns… Still a lot of fun in spring corn. The 172 is still short enough for easy jumpturns in the steeps, but it does suffer a little in sluffed out icy chutes where edge hold is at a premium… As for the hardware, the Prior isn’t quite as crazy as the Winterstick in shape, allowing room for a set of Chinese hooks behind the rear pucks as the last point to join the halves. There is probably a minor loss in torsional stiffness, but you forget about it real quick when riding anything but ice or very hard windboard or sastrugi. A do it yourself, or mellower factory swallowtail than the Winterstick would be more versatile, at the cost of float in bottomless uber fluffy powder. So, think about your conditions and how often you will be on hard, icy, windboard type stuff. Greg - NoKnees July 28, 2012 at 8:58 am #655223 BobGnarly 220 Posts Got my 164 stepchild powder OG in pre op at the moment. July 29, 2012 at 4:56 am #655224 BobGnarly 220 Posts August 6, 2012 at 2:05 am #655225 benlee 14 Posts Do it!!! I turned my split into a swallowtail at the end of the winter and have had a couple of spring/summer trips on it and it’s been superduper fun. Even only being on spring corn. Feels like surfing a shortboard. The only negative is my touring brackets are way far back now. It hasn’t been an issue yet, even climbing up Mt Adams, but I would still like to move them forward. Viewing 20 posts - 1 through 20 (of 20 total) You must be logged in to reply to this topic.