Forums Boots The first Hardboot designed for snowboard mountaineering
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  • #796178
    Alexandros
    7 Posts

    Big statement but the French claim to have done it. Save some money cause its not gonna come lightly!

    #796183
    Scooby2
    617 Posts

    Good post ! Comparing online pictures, it does look wider in the forefoot than the Black ski boot model.

    It looks like maybe more adjustment room could be added on the highback to allow for more relaxed forward lean for North American bc conditions.

    I would guess that an ankle strap will show up after this year’s testing. Love the Ultimate binding!

    #796185
    mgco3
    50 Posts

    looks like a great idea, but the carbon fiber will make the boot quite stiff I suppose…

    Amplid Milligram 163, Tour Operator 159 & LabCarbon 162, Phantom Alphas 14/15, Atomic Backland w/ Phantom LinkLevers
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    #796190
    vapor
    350 Posts

    At 650 grams with a progressive bumper in the rear those things look awesome!!he did say they feel like softboots flexing medially

    #796192
    mgco3
    50 Posts

    Yeah if they flex well like he shows in the video its amazing. Especially this dynamic/progressive bumper looks promising.

    Amplid Milligram 163, Tour Operator 159 & LabCarbon 162, Phantom Alphas 14/15, Atomic Backland w/ Phantom LinkLevers
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    #796199
    buell
    534 Posts

    Having a boot factory made with snowboard related design elements is outstanding. This one looks really promising and super light. Gignoux builds high end boots and it will not be cheap, I imagine.

    What we need is not that far from a flexible AT boot already, so maybe other manufacturers will be willing to modify one of their boots for splitboarding.

    With toe/heel ledges getting smaller, like the Procline, or non-existent like the TLT7, eventually it might be important that we have a boot dedicated for hardshell splitboarding. Of course, maybe John at Phantom can come up with a splitboarder’s tech binding that will hold boots that don’t have toe/heel ledges. ; )

    #796209
    Taylor
    792 Posts

    This is a milestone – truly outstanding news. It looks like they nailed the ride-mode forward flex system, and it’s so light! Excellent. As a guy who prefers zero forward lean in my heelside-stop highback position, I do wonder about the degree to which the ride-mode forward lean is adjustable.

    @sun_rocket

    #796211
    vapor
    350 Posts

    I think some of the flex comes from the binding itself. Very similar to firstlights/ voilie design before phantoms came on the market.

    #796238
    buell
    534 Posts

    I think some of the flex comes from the binding itself. Very similar to firstlights/ voilie design before phantoms came on the market.

    I do think some flex is coming from the bindings, but it looks like the legs are moving much more than the binding movement would allow. It is great to see a boot designer understand that lateral flex is one of the biggest needs we have as snowboarders compared to skiers.

    Looking at the Splitboard Power website, they seem to have their own pucks, but it does look like Voile pucks are on the board behind Pierre.

    The bindings in the video are similar to any bails on a slider plate on pucks design. Sparks are the same design effectively as well. Vapor, I think your design was also similar?

    There is a lot of inherent flex in the puck system which, even if unintentional, has provided better performance with AT boots and slider track bindings by giving some lateral and medial flex. If there was no flex in the pucks, the slider track binding design would be way too rigid since the binding itself has no flex.

    John at Phantom has worked really hard to design a system that flexes in the lateral and medial directions yet provides a much better rider / board connection and board half / board half connection that a puck system could. I think the Phantoms have a bit more lateral flex than the Splitboard Power bindings in the video.

    #796239
    buell
    534 Posts

    I emailed Gignoux some questions. Below are Pierre’s answers I sent a reply with a few more questions and will post the answers to those when I receive them.

    Taylor, I don’t know if you can get zero forward lean with a modification but the range is really good. The two options on the TLT 6 stock are 15 degrees and 18 degrees depending on which way you flip the walk/ride tab.

    “Yes the forward lean is adjustable. Available angulations are 13°/15°/17°/19°

    There is no arch strap on our latest collection because there is an internal lacing + strap system wich hold very well the heel.

    You can already order on our web site by putting an order for a Black boot and writing a comment. Delivery date will be end of December

    The web site will be up dated soon”

    #796241
    Scooby2
    617 Posts

    hmm, I would think 0 to 12 or 15 degrees would be more apt for boarding in western North America. At least you can always change composites quickly and cut away material on the sides of the highback. I’m sure you could order a highback with an altered forward lean mount position with little fuss.

    #796245
    buell
    534 Posts

    hmm, I would think 0 to 12 or 15 degrees would be more apt for boarding in western North America. At least you can always change composites quickly and cut away material on the sides of the highback. I’m sure you could order a highback with an altered forward lean mount position with little fuss.

    I think highback angle is very personal. It would be nice to be able to change it easily in the field for mellow or steep terrain or powder to firm conditions, but that is a lot to ask at the moment from the first hardshell boot that is designed for splitboarding.

    A couple of years ago I did some inbounds testing and ended up with about 12F, 15R. Turns out, in the BC on moderate to steep slopes, I prefer in the area of 15F and 18R. I wouldn’t mind trying a little steeper on the rear foot for steeps.

    #796246
    Snurfer
    1448 Posts

    Thanks for posting this and getting the additional details.

    I was sold at ‘it feels like a running shoe”. Now I just need a second income 🙂

    @topodojo

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    #796289
    buell
    534 Posts

    A couple more questions and answers.

    On the west coast of the US, I end up walking on rocks quite a bit. Will the carbon lowers hold up to that? There are not really any hard impacts, but my TLT6 Mountains get pretty scuffed up..

    “You have to take care when walking on rocks, the sole is quite thin but some guys uses this boots for ice climbing or alpinism. My advice is to use running shoe until you reach the snow when snow is missing on low alitude”

    Does the boot design do a good job of keeping snow out when booting up a chute in deep snow? I noticed you offer a gaiter on your website, but I am not sure if it would be needed.

    “Depend on your pants. The sealing gaiter integrated on the boots is quite low (just a bit up to the ankle)”

    #796291
    SkateBananas
    178 Posts

    I think I would like to see a splitboard boot more for the every day rider. These things are designed for Lycra wearing weight weenies in rando races.

    Have to be gentle on them when in the rocks – NO

    Snow gets in them when booting or breaking trail – NO

    Cost over $1000 – NO

    Ill stick with my modded TLTs

    #796293
    buell
    534 Posts

    It is not bad to have one of the top boot designers in the world thinking about designs for a splitboard hardshell boot.

    I agree that they could be a bit more all around, particularly with a higher gaiter. The TLT soles are not very thick anyway, so we will need to wait and see if there is much of a difference.

    A number of people have been trying for a few years now to get any company to produce a hardshell boot tailored to splitboarding instead of skiing with only very minor successes. Even if they are not going to be for everyone, this is promising for hardshell splitboarders and Gignoux deserves thanks for even taking this project on to show it is possible. He also designs for Dynafit, so there is the possibility what he learns here could end up on a boot like the TLT6.

    edit: Aside from the other positive design features, I personally don’t mind dropping over a pound per foot compared to the TLT6. That is a lot.

    #796294
    SkateBananas
    178 Posts

    No doubt its exciting and nice to see. I just dont think I would make the claim that its made for “snowboard mountaineering.” If i were to take these to the place and things I consider mountaineering I think I would be cold, wet and miserable.

    #796296
    buell
    534 Posts

    No doubt its exciting and nice to see. I just dont think I would make the claim that its made for “snowboard mountaineering.” If i were to take these to the place and things I consider mountaineering I think I would be cold, wet and miserable.

    That is pretty funny. Who knows though, Pierre Gignoux is a well accomplished mountaineer and might just know what he is doing, but he is definitely not for the slow slog. We’ll have to see how they hold up.

    #796297
    buell
    534 Posts

    Alright, final correspondence for now.

    “Regarding the boot size: if the 25 TLT5 Dynafit fits to your feet, our boots 25 will fit also.

    In any case if you order, when you get the boots, it’s still possible to send them back for a different size.

    I’ve seen some topics about the forward lean angle. It is possible to have less angulation with a special frame connection between the lever and the highback if you want. So with this part you can have minimum 5° ”

    Time to order a pair.

    #796309
    cometogether
    385 Posts

    I bet that dynafit had something to do with this… looks like a lot of that lateral movement came from strait removing the plastic hard shell around the top of the foot. That spot just needs to be more covered than it looks in this boot.
    The soles will get slaughtered if you where to spend one day here in the rocky mountains of colorado. my tlt6 sole looks like shit and probably wont last this full season. I think we will see something in the way of boots by the end of this snow season. I can hope since that will be about when I will need to start looking again.

    I just watched it again and that sole looks at least as thick as the dynashit if not thicker!

    better not go easy on them buell, product test that shit!

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