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  • #574147
    EM82
    2 Posts

    Hello,
    I’m new to splitboarding and riding the New Mojo RX and Light rail combo (despite a sm. base plate and narrow heel cup :banghead: ), I’m curious if anyone has suggestion on either how to “split ski” ( just takes practice perhaps) out when the grade is just to inclined or gradual to ride the whole way or if there is DIY heel lock on the website or one that can be purchased (so it functions more like AT gear than telemark gear)?
    Thanks for the guidance!
    EM82

    #634650
    tiltedworld
    406 Posts

    snowplow, stem christie and tele turns in that order of difficulty. Good luck! :thumpsup:

    #634651
    UTAH
    830 Posts

    First of all I never learned to ski so take it or leave it. However, sometimes it’s better to learn from people who struggle with something than people who have mastered it and can’t relate. Here’s how I survive the splitski. Dial in down hill kick turns and use them frequently, this allows you to traverse downhill across slopes at a mellow angle. Then when you can find the right time to just point it. When traversing really take advantage of the inner straight edge. I typically plant that edge and use the other ski to kind of push across the slope kind of like when you kick on a skateboard. The straight inner edge provides almost 100% contact with the snow, so it’s going to provide more purchase on every kind of variable aspect compare to the side cut edge. The most important thing don’t get frustrated I mean shit were snowboarders not skiers so can you blame us if we suck at skiing. Hope that made some kind of sense and helps.

    #634652
    PedroDelfuego
    758 Posts

    Pizza first… Then French fries….

    :thumpsup:

    #634653
    jbaysurfer
    947 Posts

    Fullers2Oh will tell you to bend your knees, and keep your weight back!

    Then he’ll lead you into a nasty 40 degree splitski descent that would have any average resort alpine skier puckered…and when you finally get to the exit, he’ll tell you how much fun he had. 😆

    #634654
    sdmarkus
    407 Posts

    Jive Stick showin’ us how it’s done… :thumpsup:

    [youtube:2rh5b0bi]23cZDK_sNEY[/youtube:2rh5b0bi]

    #634655
    jbaysurfer
    947 Posts

    Wow…that “old guy” is ripping!

    😉

    Just messin’ Jivestick!

    #634656
    sdmarkus
    407 Posts

    @jive stick wrote:

    Who ya callin an old timer, mutha fuckah?

    😆 , believe I got a good shellacking for a similar comment some time back..ripping for sure!

    #634657
    summersgone
    814 Posts

    GNARLY! :headbang: That guy is tele master splitboarder.

    As for advice on splitsking, I find to grip it and rip it, and a good prayer always helps.

    #634658
    EM82
    2 Posts

    I can’t thank you guys enough!! :bananas:
    EM82
    BTW SWEET JESUS THAT GUY RIPS ON THE TELE!!!!

    #634659
    jbaysurfer
    947 Posts

    @sdmarkus wrote:

    @jive stick wrote:

    Who ya callin an old timer, mutha fuckah?

    😆 , believe I got a good shellacking for a similar comment some time back..ripping for sure!

    LOL…yeah, if my memory worked right I would’ve quoted you appropriately.

    #634660
    182 Surf de neige
    157 Posts

    Ommmmmmmmmmmmmm!!!!!!!!!!!!!BADASSS BILLYGOAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!Ommmmmmmmmmmmm!~

    #634661
    chdoba
    9 Posts

    That is one tough splitboarder for sure! I’ve been trying to incorporate some xcountry & tele moves into my splitboarding to make my touring more efficient. Here are my thoughts:

    From xcountry take the kick and glide technique when you are crossing flat or slightly downhill aspects. Make a bit of extra effort and finish your back foot push off with a kick. At the same time keep your front foot out and hold a glide for a few feet. As you transition don’t stop, keep up the momentum. As the glide starts to slow start the next kick and glide with the front foot. Its almost like jogging with an exaggerated stride and a short rest during the glide. This allows you to generate some speed which helps break the sliding resistance of your skins and moves you quickly across the flats.

    From telemarketing take the front foot forward, back foot dropped knee stance when descending along a continued skin route. With the front foot forward you can hold yourself upright when you hit a bump or deeper snow, depriving your friends the joy of watching you pivot face first on your pins. Most spliters descend in ski mode with their skis together and back on their heels. You can’t do shit but fall when you are back on your heels. Instead, think of pushing out one strong foot forward as a brace.

    Taking it to the next level…
    I was riding a lift with a couple tele skiers and one of them had recently converted from snowboarding. He describes the tele turn as similar to the falling leaf ‘turn’ that beginner snowboarders make. Just think that one thru a while and maybe it will click. I’m still trying but this vid proves it is possible.

    -Chuck

    #634662
    KGN
    215 Posts

    Reading this post, I am wondering how most people get out at the end of the day. Some of the places I ride require a 2 hour split in before you even really start going up a route for descent. The way out is usually flat, with bumps, some downhill, very short but steep(steep for cross country 😉 ) sections ect. Definately cant ride the snowboard, unless MAYBE I pushed with poles. I noticed skiiers just ski out pushing with poles and side hill stepping over the humps. I skin out the whole way, but it makes for some super puckered moments as I cant turn worth shit, although I am getting slightly better. Its a lot easier when theres lots of new snow, slows me down.

    Although I have learned to make a lame game in my head called Telemark Jeremy Jones, where I drop into a 10 ft high hill like its an alaska spine or something.

    I guess Splits don’t ski worth shit, which is compounded by the fact that neither do I.

    #634663
    surfsnowywaves
    60 Posts

    Oh boy, this thread is just ripe with some interesting things. I’ll give you my background: I’ve been snowboarding for 11 years, telemark skiing for 4 years, and this would be my third winter splitting weren’t it for my knee surgery.

    First off, you can’t ‘telemark’ on split bindings. Sure, something similar is possible, but a key to the telemark turn is the fact that you get control of the skis by having pressure on the ball of the foot, which isn’t possible with a rigid binding.

    I love to split-ski, it’s kind of stupidly fun. In fact, sometime’s mid-skin I’ll rip my skins and blast down for a 100-200 ft vert shot on the skis. Granted, most of it is typically mellow, nothing steep or too densely wooded (most of my splitting is in Vermont). What I’ve found helps me stay upright and maintain control, is, as mentioned, leaning back a bit and keeping the knees bent. Mind you, don’t lean super far back, as this will cause you not to have control.

    I also usually ski with what’s comically referred to as “poop stance” because it sorta looks like you’re taking a crap. Legs spread relatively wide and the arms also out, with that little bit of a backward lean. This helps with the balance (especially if you’re not a skier to begin with) as well as being able to put some rotational force on your skis. I try to smear my turns as much as possible, because it’s really difficult to try and carve on a straight edge.

    Contrary to what some folks have said, I find that dropping a knee into a telemark style stance on the split skis is terribly inefficient and is just begging for a knee injury.

    :twocents:

    #634664
    utasidian
    120 Posts

    I never learned to ski when I was young. Skied once in high school while tripping on ‘shrooms but i don’t remember much of that experience. When I started splitboarding I found it infinitely annoying to be the last one to parking lot just cuz I couldn’t ski the valley bottoms. I figured the best way to remedy the shituation was to just split-ski more. At first it was hella scary cuz, well I didn’t know how to ski. But after awhile it became fun to ski shit in split mode. Like surfsnowywaves says, hittin’ a couple hundred feet of mellow vert mid-climb is a wicked way to hone the skills.

    This year, in order to make skiing with my four year old more fun, I’ve been skiing the split at the ski hill. I really don’t get the whole fixation on telemark turns though. I mean, I can pull them off while skiing steeper powder but they just don’t seem to be the best option given the technology we are using. I find that keeping my weight centered over my bindings and shifting that weight from leg to leg gives me the best turning experience. The end result of all this experimentation is that getting out of long approaches at the end of the day is a lot less frustrating than it used to be.

    #634665
    strain
    42 Posts

    I recently had to spend a day shooting at Alta for a photo competition – mtn management told me I could ride the lifts as long as I was in split mode when I did. I can’t split ski and there is video evidence courtesy of Unofficial Networks (skip to 2:10 if all you want to see is my total lack of split skiing ability. Watch the whole video to see my lack of snowboarding ability as well.)

    [vimeo:1eko5e4s]http://www.vimeo.com/19785198[/vimeo:1eko5e4s]

    I got better by the time I got to the 2nd lift… thank god.

    #634666
    KGN
    215 Posts

    Haha sweet video, okay well I dont feel so bad now.

    Nice high gnar points claim :mrgreen:

    To surfsnowy, yeah I definatley realize Im doing nothing close to a telemark turn, just trying not to die in any way possible when I come back down. For some of the spots, for me, its best to just skin out and be puckered.

    #634667
    amkaplan
    77 Posts

    @surfsnowywaves wrote:

    First off, you can’t ‘telemark’ on split bindings. Sure, something similar is possible, but a key to the telemark turn is the fact that you get control of the skis by having pressure on the ball of the foot, which isn’t possible with a rigid binding.

    Umm… did you miss the video of Jive Stick earlier in this thread? He’s executing those remarkably tele-like turns with standard Voile hardware and Clickers. Amazing.

    @sdmarkus wrote:

    Jive Stick showin’ us how it’s done… :thumpsup:

    [youtube:mykfk4u6]23cZDK_sNEY[/youtube:mykfk4u6]

    #634668
    surfsnowywaves
    60 Posts

    @amkaplan wrote:

    @surfsnowywaves wrote:

    First off, you can’t ‘telemark’ on split bindings. Sure, something similar is possible, but a key to the telemark turn is the fact that you get control of the skis by having pressure on the ball of the foot, which isn’t possible with a rigid binding.

    Umm… did you miss the video of Jive Stick earlier in this thread? He’s executing those remarkably tele-like turns with standard Voile hardware and Clickers. Amazing.

    @sdmarkus wrote:

    Jive Stick showin’ us how it’s done… :thumpsup:

    [youtube:o61dftoy]23cZDK_sNEY[/youtube:o61dftoy]

    Yes, I’ve seen that video. I’m amazed at what he does – like everyone else here. I’m nowhere near his splitski ability. However, it’s difficult to properly weight simply the toes of the back foot, and therefore you have really poor torsional control over your foot. It’s sort of just dangling there, and if you hook an edge, it’s bye-bye soft knee tissue. Is it possible to do? Yeah, sure. Definitely not what I’d do though, seeing that I’m currently couch-bound due to my second meniscus repair.

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