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  • #572119
    russman
    689 Posts

    I know this topic has probably been posted before, but whatever….

    One thing that pisses me off to no end, is how infiltrated the sport of snowboarding is with retarded skater idiots. I’m not bashing skateboarders, but seriously, 99% of the snowboarders out there don’t even know what a crampon is.

    I’ve been involved with climbing for 20 years, and have been snowboarding for 15 years. Ski companies have been in communication with climbing companies for years, yet snowboard/climbers are basically F***ed when It comes to combining these sports. It would be AMAZING if a company like Black Diamond were to produce a soft snowboard mountaineering boot that is compatible with vertical ice climbing, and general alpine glacier & rock travel….

    It is one thing to climb a sick route, then do an ugly slide to the bottom and say you “rode down”. Its another thing to climb a sick route, and then shred the piss out of it…. Todays splitboard gear doesn’t really allow for this.

    #620282
    powderjunkie
    1665 Posts

    What are you riding – russman?

    skate influenced snowboarding rules and along with surfing is pretty much the reason there is snowboarding.

    who cares if most snowboarders don’t know what a crampon is.

    lack of a snowboard mountaineering boot hasn’t held back too many around here. we like to bitch about it, but it doesn’t stop anyone from getting out there anyway.

    playing “catch up” with ski mountaineers in terms of product development and ability to ride lines” is what makes this pursuit fun, IMO. we’re the underdogs.

    #620283
    barrows
    1490 Posts

    Whoa dude!
    While I agree that it would be nice to be able to get purpose built gear for snowboard mountaineering (really all that is needed is a purpose built, soft and hard boot), with a little innovation it is possible to have a split set up that allows great climbing performance and great riding performance. I have been snowboard mountaineering since the late 80s. My current set up:

    1. Extensively modified Dynafit Zzero 3C boots, superlight, super warm, and flex as well as Driver Xs
    2. Prior Backcountry 168, with Dynafit toe pieces.
    3. Voile slider plates with direct mounted Catek toe and heel pieces
    4. Petzl Vasak crampons, these are light and can climb anything including vertical ice.

    The only compromise of my setup is the work required to mod the boots for additional flex. At heart I am a soft boot rider, but I have ridden hard boots enough to know how superior they are in a mountaineering environment-so I worked on the Zzero 3s until they would flex as well as my Burton Driver Xs. Now I have a set up that is lower in weight than a soft boot/Spark combo. That climbs snow, rock and ice like a dedicated climbing boot. And that rides as well as a pair of Driver Xs.
    It will be interesting to see if Jeremy Jones’ new company will have the resources necessary to address the boot issue…

    #620284
    russman
    689 Posts

    What kind of mods did you do to your AT boots? And do you use crampons with your soft boots?

    Currently I haul a Nitro Pantera 163 into the backcounty and up mountains. Im using a pair of Thirtytwo 305 boots, and they do pretty well with kicking steps in hard stuff (I have a set of strap-on crampons I use with them). This setup rides AMAZINGLY well.. but again, my ice climbing boots are my first choice for alpine climbing, and that’s what I want to change.

    Right now the biggest obstacle to my backcountry setup is finances. I’ve been unable to convince myself to buy a pair of AT boots because of my skepticism that it will ride well. I’m in the market for a split board as well. I’ve demo-ed a couple Priors, the Burton S-Series [which sucked], and the Voile [which also sucked]. Prior boards seem to ride great, but also seem to be heavier than other boards (what do you guys think?). At any rate, I’m still more concerned about boots than I am about boards.

    #620285
    sketchyT
    280 Posts

    @russman wrote:

    It is one thing to climb a sick route, then do an ugly slide to the bottom and say you “rode down”. Its another thing to climb a sick route, and then shred the piss out of it…. Todays splitboard gear doesn’t really allow for this.

    Don’t blame the gear man! There’s some awesome split shreading going on out there. Just check out the TRs on this site.

    #620286
    UTAH
    830 Posts

    My focus these days is almost purely snowboard mountaineering. I am riding some soft AT boots (Dynafit MLT) and a super light DIY self 164 splittie. My biggest influence in snowboarding has always been my skateboard/surf background and I would hope when people see me shred pow or hardpack and everything in between they would see that shine in my riding style. I may only skate a handful of days a year but my passion for the art is still strong and I probably wouldn’t be as passionate about snowboarding or the BC without it. Not good enough gear is an excuse. Sick riders can ride anything. Jon Muir, Edmond Hilary, Bill Briggs nothing held them back. Just get out there and be stoked your part of something new.

    #620287
    HikeforTurns
    1113 Posts

    @russman wrote:

    It is one thing to climb a sick route, then do an ugly slide to the bottom and say you “rode down”. Its another thing to climb a sick route, and then shred the piss out of it…. Todays splitboard gear doesn’t really allow for this.

    this thread is retarded.

    thanks.

    #620288
    troweller
    36 Posts

    I just slay pow and destroy boots.
    Ice is no fun.

    #620289
    Snurfer
    1438 Posts

    Since the thread has digressed a bit and I’m still home bound with the sick, I got to chime in….

    So we’re all different… if we’re chill about it who cares?

    I think its cool that people express themselves in whatever way brings stoke into their life. Aside from riding a board on snow, I don’t fall into any of the categories being discussed, but I don’t care.
    I’m into the aesthetic of the turn and that its. If I happen to get air, so be it…. I’m not going to get into to mountaineering, because I don’t enjoy that sort of thing. Nor is my old frame going to pull off a 540 in the pipe.
    But when I see someone kill a big line, or throw a wicked move off a booter I’m pretty stoked that other people can pull that shit off, even if I can’t relate to their motivation.

    Me….
    Jet skiing is probably what I most closely compare to my style and motivation to continue boarding.
    BMX and Snurfer’s were my biggest influencer to start boarding…. and that’s when a little tiny ad in a 1980 BMX action caught my eye (Burton Backhill)…
    Always envisioned myself to be a surfer, truth is never done it…
    Always tried to be a skateboarder, but a handfull of 70’s plastic garbage boards were all that made it too my little redneck town (and then I discovered guitars)…
    Never skied snow…
    Climbed a bit, but I’m averted to exposure…

    I just want to make endless turns…. :doobie:

    @topodojo IG
    Shark Snowsurf Chuna
    Voile V-Tail 170 BC
    Voile One Ninety Five
    Spark R&D Arc

    #620290
    barrows
    1490 Posts

    RE: Dynafit Zzero 3 mods. Do a search on the forums here, mods to the Dynafit Zzero 3s have been discussed and described both by myself and Karkis. After you read the posted information, please feel free to ask questions on the mods in the relevant Zzero 3 threads.
    Yes, I understand, it is expensive to get a pair of nice AT boots and then start cutting them up in hopes that they will perform they way you want for snowboarding, only you can decide if it is worth the expense. For me, the modded Zzero 3cs are the best way to go for snowboard mountaineering, I have ridden both hard and soft boots extensively for 25 years of snowboarding, and I am totally satisfied with the riding performance of my modded Zzero 3s. I do like stiffer soft boot set ups like Driver Xs and Malamutes-I really do not like very soft softboots.
    Yes, I have used crampons with soft boots in the past. I vastly prefer the climbing in the modded AT boots, also traditional soft boots really suck on overnights, just getting them on and off can be a real ordeal.

    #620291
    russman
    689 Posts

    @hikeforturns wrote:

    @russman wrote:

    It is one thing to climb a sick route, then do an ugly slide to the bottom and say you “rode down”. Its another thing to climb a sick route, and then shred the piss out of it…. Todays splitboard gear doesn’t really allow for this.

    this thread is retarded.

    thanks.

    You are welcome.

    #620292
    bones get broke
    298 Posts

    @russman wrote:

    Its another thing to climb a sick route, and then shred the piss out of it…. Todays splitboard gear doesn’t really allow for this.

    I beg to differ. If you allow your gear to limit the things that you can accomplish then you’re really just looking for excuses for being a beater. Look back to the “golden age” of mountaineering. Guys were climbing (and skiing) in gear that we can only marvel at now considering our current gear options.

    #620293
    travalanche
    3 Posts

    so what are classic snowboard mountaineering routes in your area. lets get a hitlist of technical mountaineering snowboard routes. i’ll throw out the ford coulior on the grand teton as a start. anyone have first decent projects such as the hossack- mcgowen on the grand or similar goals. if there is snow the lines will go. where is xavier on the top ten list of snowboard mountaineers?!

    #620294
    ale_capone
    864 Posts

    I thought it was the other way around.. Elitist mountaineers infiltrating something soulful and turning into sport. Nice cross post on CC by the way.. Interesting to see how the elite view snowboard mountaineering. :headbang:

    Now, onto your comments there…sunshine,

    You don’t see Jeremy Jones dropping Alaskan big lines in plastics….

    wait, i thought current splitboarding gear didn’t allow for gnarly decents? Only sliding down on your ass. The problems are in the up, not the down. User>gear…. everytime. But then your following line just shows how out of touch you are. At least read up a little on the “deeper’ project….

    Granted, a helicopter zooming you to any summit you want must be nice…..”

    I do agree with you that boots needing some innovatives changes, and making noise helps. But until then I will make do with the moon boots. Now take you elite ass up Baker and get some… It’s fookin dumping!!!! :doobie:

    #620295
    BGnight
    1382 Posts

    edit: wrong thread

    and i agree w/ hike for turns

    #620296
    wasatch surf
    979 Posts

    our gear is about 20 times better than most of the ski gear used to get first ascents and descents of lines back in the sixties, seventies, and eighties. those dudes were crazy skiing the grand teton, alps, even shit in the wasatch on three pins, leather boots, and 200cm plus skis. I would love to see splitboard/mountaineering specific gear but that probably wont happen for awhile. Besides i’d much rather have the skater/surfer laid back influence than the stuck up, better than you attitude i’ve encountered from a lot of people at the crag/climbing gym. unfortunately i get the prick attitude from people in most of my hobbies these days. Splitboarding so far has been a sanctuary for that, i hope “progression” doesn’t turn it into the dick measuring show that plagues so many other sports.

    #620297
    Ecobrad
    2068 Posts

    I freakin love powder.

    #620298
    bones get broke
    298 Posts

    Dude, just riding Powder isn’t hardcore enough. Come back when you’ve got some “Powder Mountaineering” gnar to share. If only someone would provide some adequate gear because my gear is shit and it doesn’t allow me to properly mountaineer the gnar in every conceivable condition.

    #620299
    SanFrantastico
    1514 Posts

    @powderjunkie wrote:

    What are you riding – russman?

    skate influenced snowboarding rules and along with surfing is pretty much the reason there is snowboarding.

    who cares if most snowboarders don’t know what a crampon is.

    lack of a snowboard mountaineering boot hasn’t held back too many around here. we like to bitch about it, but it doesn’t stop anyone from getting out there anyway.

    playing “catch up” with ski mountaineers in terms of product development and ability to ride lines” is what makes this pursuit fun, IMO. we’re the underdogs.

    :scratch: :scratch: Whatever, Powderjunkie. Everyone knows your just a f*cking skater kook. Would you please stop having so much fun out there and try to take this sh*t more seriously? You’re giving everyone a bad name.

    Putting the poo in swimming pool since 1968.

    #620300
    Ecobrad
    2068 Posts

    I know, I usually quit after the first couple hundred feet of vert cause I can’t get to the gnar.

    @bones get broke wrote:

    Dude, just riding Powder isn’t hardcore enough. Come back when you’ve got some “Powder Mountaineering” gnar to share. If only someone would provide some adequate gear because my gear is shit and it doesn’t allow me to properly mountaineer the gnar in every conceivable condition.

    When I’m day dreaming about snowboarding I’m not visualizing jump turns. Not that jump turns in a powder filled couloir are bad.

    Rest assured all past and future partners–I will never climb anything KNOWING that the descent will be on ice.

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