Forums Splitboard Talk Forum Snowboard Mountaineering Viewing 20 posts - 1 through 20 (of 56 total) 1 2 3 → Author Posts October 24, 2009 at 7:11 pm #572119 russman 689 Posts I know this topic has probably been posted before, but whatever…. One thing that pisses me off to no end, is how infiltrated the sport of snowboarding is with retarded skater idiots. I’m not bashing skateboarders, but seriously, 99% of the snowboarders out there don’t even know what a crampon is. I’ve been involved with climbing for 20 years, and have been snowboarding for 15 years. Ski companies have been in communication with climbing companies for years, yet snowboard/climbers are basically F***ed when It comes to combining these sports. It would be AMAZING if a company like Black Diamond were to produce a soft snowboard mountaineering boot that is compatible with vertical ice climbing, and general alpine glacier & rock travel…. It is one thing to climb a sick route, then do an ugly slide to the bottom and say you “rode down”. Its another thing to climb a sick route, and then shred the piss out of it…. Todays splitboard gear doesn’t really allow for this. October 24, 2009 at 10:02 pm #620282 powderjunkie 1667 Posts What are you riding – russman? skate influenced snowboarding rules and along with surfing is pretty much the reason there is snowboarding. who cares if most snowboarders don’t know what a crampon is. lack of a snowboard mountaineering boot hasn’t held back too many around here. we like to bitch about it, but it doesn’t stop anyone from getting out there anyway. playing “catch up” with ski mountaineers in terms of product development and ability to ride lines” is what makes this pursuit fun, IMO. we’re the underdogs. October 24, 2009 at 10:20 pm #620283 barrows 1490 Posts Whoa dude! While I agree that it would be nice to be able to get purpose built gear for snowboard mountaineering (really all that is needed is a purpose built, soft and hard boot), with a little innovation it is possible to have a split set up that allows great climbing performance and great riding performance. I have been snowboard mountaineering since the late 80s. My current set up: 1. Extensively modified Dynafit Zzero 3C boots, superlight, super warm, and flex as well as Driver Xs 2. Prior Backcountry 168, with Dynafit toe pieces. 3. Voile slider plates with direct mounted Catek toe and heel pieces 4. Petzl Vasak crampons, these are light and can climb anything including vertical ice. The only compromise of my setup is the work required to mod the boots for additional flex. At heart I am a soft boot rider, but I have ridden hard boots enough to know how superior they are in a mountaineering environment-so I worked on the Zzero 3s until they would flex as well as my Burton Driver Xs. Now I have a set up that is lower in weight than a soft boot/Spark combo. That climbs snow, rock and ice like a dedicated climbing boot. And that rides as well as a pair of Driver Xs. It will be interesting to see if Jeremy Jones’ new company will have the resources necessary to address the boot issue… October 25, 2009 at 1:14 am #620284 russman 689 Posts What kind of mods did you do to your AT boots? And do you use crampons with your soft boots? Currently I haul a Nitro Pantera 163 into the backcounty and up mountains. Im using a pair of Thirtytwo 305 boots, and they do pretty well with kicking steps in hard stuff (I have a set of strap-on crampons I use with them). This setup rides AMAZINGLY well.. but again, my ice climbing boots are my first choice for alpine climbing, and that’s what I want to change. Right now the biggest obstacle to my backcountry setup is finances. I’ve been unable to convince myself to buy a pair of AT boots because of my skepticism that it will ride well. I’m in the market for a split board as well. I’ve demo-ed a couple Priors, the Burton S-Series [which sucked], and the Voile [which also sucked]. Prior boards seem to ride great, but also seem to be heavier than other boards (what do you guys think?). At any rate, I’m still more concerned about boots than I am about boards. October 25, 2009 at 2:10 am #620285 sketchyT 280 Posts @russman wrote: It is one thing to climb a sick route, then do an ugly slide to the bottom and say you “rode down”. Its another thing to climb a sick route, and then shred the piss out of it…. Todays splitboard gear doesn’t really allow for this. Don’t blame the gear man! There’s some awesome split shreading going on out there. Just check out the TRs on this site. October 25, 2009 at 2:14 am #620286 UTAH 830 Posts My focus these days is almost purely snowboard mountaineering. I am riding some soft AT boots (Dynafit MLT) and a super light DIY self 164 splittie. My biggest influence in snowboarding has always been my skateboard/surf background and I would hope when people see me shred pow or hardpack and everything in between they would see that shine in my riding style. I may only skate a handful of days a year but my passion for the art is still strong and I probably wouldn’t be as passionate about snowboarding or the BC without it. Not good enough gear is an excuse. Sick riders can ride anything. Jon Muir, Edmond Hilary, Bill Briggs nothing held them back. Just get out there and be stoked your part of something new. October 25, 2009 at 3:12 am #620287 HikeforTurns 1113 Posts @russman wrote: It is one thing to climb a sick route, then do an ugly slide to the bottom and say you “rode down”. Its another thing to climb a sick route, and then shred the piss out of it…. Todays splitboard gear doesn’t really allow for this. this thread is retarded. thanks. October 25, 2009 at 3:33 am #620288 troweller 36 Posts I just slay pow and destroy boots. Ice is no fun. October 25, 2009 at 4:32 pm #620289 Snurfer 1448 Posts Since the thread has digressed a bit and I’m still home bound with the sick, I got to chime in…. So we’re all different… if we’re chill about it who cares? I think its cool that people express themselves in whatever way brings stoke into their life. Aside from riding a board on snow, I don’t fall into any of the categories being discussed, but I don’t care. I’m into the aesthetic of the turn and that its. If I happen to get air, so be it…. I’m not going to get into to mountaineering, because I don’t enjoy that sort of thing. Nor is my old frame going to pull off a 540 in the pipe. But when I see someone kill a big line, or throw a wicked move off a booter I’m pretty stoked that other people can pull that shit off, even if I can’t relate to their motivation. Me…. Jet skiing is probably what I most closely compare to my style and motivation to continue boarding. BMX and Snurfer’s were my biggest influencer to start boarding…. and that’s when a little tiny ad in a 1980 BMX action caught my eye (Burton Backhill)… Always envisioned myself to be a surfer, truth is never done it… Always tried to be a skateboarder, but a handfull of 70’s plastic garbage boards were all that made it too my little redneck town (and then I discovered guitars)… Never skied snow… Climbed a bit, but I’m averted to exposure… I just want to make endless turns…. :doobie: Shark Snowsurf Chuna Voile V-Tail 170 BC Voile One Ninety Five Spark R&D Arc October 25, 2009 at 6:36 pm #620290 barrows 1490 Posts RE: Dynafit Zzero 3 mods. Do a search on the forums here, mods to the Dynafit Zzero 3s have been discussed and described both by myself and Karkis. After you read the posted information, please feel free to ask questions on the mods in the relevant Zzero 3 threads. Yes, I understand, it is expensive to get a pair of nice AT boots and then start cutting them up in hopes that they will perform they way you want for snowboarding, only you can decide if it is worth the expense. For me, the modded Zzero 3cs are the best way to go for snowboard mountaineering, I have ridden both hard and soft boots extensively for 25 years of snowboarding, and I am totally satisfied with the riding performance of my modded Zzero 3s. I do like stiffer soft boot set ups like Driver Xs and Malamutes-I really do not like very soft softboots. Yes, I have used crampons with soft boots in the past. I vastly prefer the climbing in the modded AT boots, also traditional soft boots really suck on overnights, just getting them on and off can be a real ordeal. October 25, 2009 at 7:36 pm #620291 russman 689 Posts @hikeforturns wrote: @russman wrote: It is one thing to climb a sick route, then do an ugly slide to the bottom and say you “rode down”. Its another thing to climb a sick route, and then shred the piss out of it…. Todays splitboard gear doesn’t really allow for this. this thread is retarded. thanks. You are welcome. October 26, 2009 at 1:31 pm #620292 bones get broke 298 Posts @russman wrote: Its another thing to climb a sick route, and then shred the piss out of it…. Todays splitboard gear doesn’t really allow for this. I beg to differ. If you allow your gear to limit the things that you can accomplish then you’re really just looking for excuses for being a beater. Look back to the “golden age” of mountaineering. Guys were climbing (and skiing) in gear that we can only marvel at now considering our current gear options. October 26, 2009 at 5:43 pm #620293 travalanche 3 Posts so what are classic snowboard mountaineering routes in your area. lets get a hitlist of technical mountaineering snowboard routes. i’ll throw out the ford coulior on the grand teton as a start. anyone have first decent projects such as the hossack- mcgowen on the grand or similar goals. if there is snow the lines will go. where is xavier on the top ten list of snowboard mountaineers?! October 26, 2009 at 5:44 pm #620294 ale_capone 864 Posts I thought it was the other way around.. Elitist mountaineers infiltrating something soulful and turning into sport. Nice cross post on CC by the way.. Interesting to see how the elite view snowboard mountaineering. :headbang: Now, onto your comments there…sunshine, “You don’t see Jeremy Jones dropping Alaskan big lines in plastics…. “ wait, i thought current splitboarding gear didn’t allow for gnarly decents? Only sliding down on your ass. The problems are in the up, not the down. User>gear…. everytime. But then your following line just shows how out of touch you are. At least read up a little on the “deeper’ project…. “Granted, a helicopter zooming you to any summit you want must be nice…..” I do agree with you that boots needing some innovatives changes, and making noise helps. But until then I will make do with the moon boots. Now take you elite ass up Baker and get some… It’s fookin dumping!!!! :doobie: October 26, 2009 at 10:35 pm #620295 BGnight 1382 Posts edit: wrong thread and i agree w/ hike for turns October 27, 2009 at 4:27 am #620296 wasatch surf 979 Posts our gear is about 20 times better than most of the ski gear used to get first ascents and descents of lines back in the sixties, seventies, and eighties. those dudes were crazy skiing the grand teton, alps, even shit in the wasatch on three pins, leather boots, and 200cm plus skis. I would love to see splitboard/mountaineering specific gear but that probably wont happen for awhile. Besides i’d much rather have the skater/surfer laid back influence than the stuck up, better than you attitude i’ve encountered from a lot of people at the crag/climbing gym. unfortunately i get the prick attitude from people in most of my hobbies these days. Splitboarding so far has been a sanctuary for that, i hope “progression” doesn’t turn it into the dick measuring show that plagues so many other sports. October 27, 2009 at 2:52 pm #620297 Ecobrad 2068 Posts I freakin love powder. October 27, 2009 at 3:00 pm #620298 bones get broke 298 Posts Dude, just riding Powder isn’t hardcore enough. Come back when you’ve got some “Powder Mountaineering” gnar to share. If only someone would provide some adequate gear because my gear is shit and it doesn’t allow me to properly mountaineer the gnar in every conceivable condition. October 27, 2009 at 3:06 pm #620299 SanFrantastico 1514 Posts @powderjunkie wrote: What are you riding – russman? skate influenced snowboarding rules and along with surfing is pretty much the reason there is snowboarding. who cares if most snowboarders don’t know what a crampon is. lack of a snowboard mountaineering boot hasn’t held back too many around here. we like to bitch about it, but it doesn’t stop anyone from getting out there anyway. playing “catch up” with ski mountaineers in terms of product development and ability to ride lines” is what makes this pursuit fun, IMO. we’re the underdogs. :scratch: :scratch: Whatever, Powderjunkie. Everyone knows your just a f*cking skater kook. Would you please stop having so much fun out there and try to take this sh*t more seriously? You’re giving everyone a bad name. Putting the poo in swimming pool since 1968. October 27, 2009 at 3:08 pm #620300 Ecobrad 2068 Posts I know, I usually quit after the first couple hundred feet of vert cause I can’t get to the gnar. @bones get broke wrote: Dude, just riding Powder isn’t hardcore enough. Come back when you’ve got some “Powder Mountaineering” gnar to share. If only someone would provide some adequate gear because my gear is shit and it doesn’t allow me to properly mountaineer the gnar in every conceivable condition. When I’m day dreaming about snowboarding I’m not visualizing jump turns. Not that jump turns in a powder filled couloir are bad. Rest assured all past and future partners–I will never climb anything KNOWING that the descent will be on ice. Viewing 20 posts - 1 through 20 (of 56 total) 1 2 3 → Snowboard mountaineering You must be logged in to reply to this topic.