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  • #572997
    lewmt
    570 Posts

    So is it age or just pansying out? I’ve ridden with guys in the past I tried to keep up with at Scrubfest. I was trying to figure out if its the year & I just haven’t “shaped-up” adequately to keep up or if this freakin age thing is just delivering a dose of reality. Just 2 years ago – I could kinda maintain – definitely wasn’t completely crapping out as bad.

    I still love it as much as ever – don’t want to slide down the path to old age just yet – just wonder if I need to dedicate myself at 51 to a more rigorous training regimen or just accept the reality that things are fading & just “get over it”? I’ve been getting out & had some decent “up” days but definitely held the anchor position for each tour I went on. Not even close to “maintain”. Hope I’m not sounding whiny – just wondering what I should wrap my mind around?

    #626135
    SPLITRIPPIN
    709 Posts

    Dude, It’s all about training. There are fellows out there quite a bit older than you, and still stomp out vertical.

    After all you live in Montana, so you’re in the playground. It sounds like you just need to dedicate more time to training.

    I wouldn’t get bummed. You’re in the mountains. You could be in Africa having somebody lop your arm off to go mine the next mineral the West needs.

    #626136
    Wyomingsplit_ride
    663 Posts

    lewmt-I don’t know what you are talking about???? You charged this weekend and kept up just fine. I hope I am doing half as well as you are when I am your age. You don’t need to train anymore. Just keep on ridin’ dude! :bow:

    #626137
    lewmt
    570 Posts

    Biggest thing weighing on my mind last weekend was recall of climbing Buck only 3 yrs ago and I wasn’t 1/2 as pecked out as I was on Middle this year. Definitely didn’t have the legs & hips completely play out. Then – After doing Buck – I did 2 days straight afterwards of maybe 3-5k climbs without coming up short on the climbs. Sunday – this yr – I had nothing left.

    SR is probably right though – I should quit with the whining & get my ass in shape….probably needed to hear that more than anything

    #626138
    SPLITRIPPIN
    709 Posts

    LewMT, I apologize if you thought I was calling you a whiner…. I get my ass handed to me by locals on the uptrack the 1st couple days, and I feel like an ass for being the anchor. That’s always due to altitude. So, it’s human nature to question yourself. I feel that’s the perfect time my inner demon pops up, and tells me to stop being a b!tch 😯

    #626139
    split.therapy
    455 Posts

    @lewmt wrote:

    Biggest thing weighing on my mind last weekend was recall of climbing Buck only 3 yrs ago and I wasn’t 1/2 as pecked out as I was on Middle this year. Definitely didn’t have the legs & hips completely play out. Then – After doing Buck – I did 2 days straight afterwards of maybe 3-5k climbs without coming up short on the climbs. Sunday – this yr – I had nothing left.

    SR is probably right though – I should quit with the whining & get my ass in shape….probably needed to hear that more than anything

    There is a lot more that plays into Perceived Rate of Exertion in the natural world. You can’t really compare one day to the next or one year to the next like you can lifting weights or running on a treadmill. Just too many variables involved, snow conditions, temperature, etc….

    As for training, absolutely! I find that each year since I turned 35 I have to apply more focus and theory to my General Physical Preparation in the summer and fall. I’ve had to get more disciplined on my diet, more specific on my weight training and more considerate of periodization in my cardio training. I just don’t recover as well if I just go out and hammer myself into the ground everyday like I used to. The other thing I did was focus on getting my bodyfat% as low as possible. I came into this season at 8%BF. Now I’m down around 6%BF.

    My goal every season is to put in more big days, more often and top my previous seasons vert total. This season I’ve had to be a lot smarter about it. I’ve put in a lot of short tours (2,600′) with the focus on moving faster. I try to get 2-3 days a week with bigger days. So far I have averaged 5,449 vert.ft. a day. That’s 949 vert.ft. more per day than last year.

    As we get older we have to be smarter.

    #626140
    lewmt
    570 Posts

    I find that each year since I turned 35 I have to apply more focus and theory to my General Physical Preparation in the summer and fall.

    Yeah – I didn’t prep myself very well pre-season this year…then when avy situations & snowpack was sketch I was playing under kite power a lot. Not much cardio in that.

    I’ve had to get more disciplined on my diet

    Are there foods which aide in joint lubrication? I tried glucosamine for a while – couldn’t really see much effect. Definitely have too much of a red meat & taters kinda diet but I’m just not sure my wife will go for a major alteration(making excuses again)

    As we get older we have to be smarter

    I may be in trouble with there.

    I feel that’s the perfect time my inner demon pops up, and tells me to stop being a b!tch 😯

    I wanted to hear that demon – tried to hear him – 25 years of being married has left me quite deaf

    #626141
    fullers2oh
    525 Posts

    the mind is very powerful and you are only as old as you think you are.

    that being said i also think our bodies are like machines. we can abuse them for a while but eventually they will break down. plenty of little things can be done to keep the machine running better that add up to really make a difference.

    i always chat people up if i can in the bc, one time at the whitney portal i was coming out from the meysan drainage and i ran into this real deal old timer who skied whitney in a day, which is quite a big day. it gave me inspiration to know at that age people can still get after it like that.

    #626142
    HikeforTurns
    1113 Posts

    ^same here. I ran into an 80 year old guy with double knee replacements hiking on Mt Langley. I would love to be able to pull that off.

    #626143
    Ecobrad
    2068 Posts

    This one time I went snowboarding with this really old fucker. He was a surfer from Texas and liked to smoke pot.

    #626144
    bones get broke
    298 Posts

    @splitrippin wrote:

    I get my ass handed to me by locals on the uptrack the 1st couple days, and I feel like an ass for being the anchor.

    Dude you did fine when you came out to my spot.
    Not many guys can go from Minnesota to 12000′ in 8 hours and hang. You should see me try and keep up with mutants like Hike for turns. Some freaks just don’t get tired.

    It’s been my experience that you simply need to put the work in if you want to keep up with strong climbers. This can be represented in the simple equation, No work = No play.

    #626145
    split.therapy
    455 Posts

    @lewmt wrote:

    I’ve had to get more disciplined on my diet

    Are there foods which aide in joint lubrication? I tried glucosamine for a while – couldn’t really see much effect. Definitely have too much of a red meat & taters kinda diet but I’m just not sure my wife will go for a major alteration(making excuses again)

    No such thing as too much red meat. Too much potatoes for sure! Inflammation- AVOID NIGHTSHADES, DAIRY, LEGUMES, TUBERS AND GRAINS!

    EAT LOTS OF FAT! Especially from unrefined coconut oil, grass fed tallow, and pastured lard.

    Try to get as much of your carbs from veggies (and a little from fruit) as you can.

    #626146
    SanFrantastico
    1514 Posts

    @ecobrad wrote:

    This one time I went snowboarding with this really old fucker. He was a surfer from Texas and liked to smoke pot.

    Ha ha yeah I know that dude he smells like Ben Gay and marijuana.

    Putting the poo in swimming pool since 1968.

    #626147
    SanFrantastico
    1514 Posts

    @fullers2oh wrote:

    the mind is very powerful and you are only as old as you think you are.

    I’m with you, man. Besides who cares as long as you are having fun. You should smoke your partners out more to slow them down. When you have that mastered let’s go riding. 😛

    Putting the poo in swimming pool since 1968.

    #626148
    russman
    689 Posts

    @lewmt wrote:

    So is it age or just pansying out? I’ve ridden with guys in the past I tried to keep up with at Scrubfest. I was trying to figure out if its the year & I just haven’t “shaped-up” adequately to keep up or if this freakin age thing is just delivering a dose of reality. Just 2 years ago – I could kinda maintain – definitely wasn’t completely crapping out as bad.

    I still love it as much as ever – don’t want to slide down the path to old age just yet – just wonder if I need to dedicate myself at 51 to a more rigorous training regimen or just accept the reality that things are fading & just “get over it”? I’ve been getting out & had some decent “up” days but definitely held the anchor position for each tour I went on. Not even close to “maintain”. Hope I’m not sounding whiny – just wondering what I should wrap my mind around?

    It sounds like you should see an exercise physiologist 😉

    What is your training regimen like now? It is true that after 50 you need to be more dialed with your exercise, but dude, I know some FIIIIIIIT 65 year olds! The trick is to really optimize your training between a good solid aerobic base and anaerobic work, such as resistance training or higher intensity cardio. A lot of people make the mistake of working out TOO hard all the time. Basically, if your heart rate is always in its upper zones whenever you exercise, your cardiovascular performance will actually go to shit because your metabolic system adapts to be more anaerobic or “glycotic”. The other end of the spectrum is interesting too; if all you do is long slow endurance your testosterone levels can get out of whack and you lose your high end power…

    You could do a VO2 max. test to see what’s really going on metabolically, and if there is good doc in your area you could also get blood work to see how your adrenal system is functioning.

    Feel free to PM me

    #626149
    Taft
    287 Posts

    @russman wrote:

    The other end of the spectrum is interesting too; if all you do is long slow endurance your testosterone levels can get out of whack and you lose your high end power…

    very interesting. this year for a few reasons i did not get a pass to the hill. on a normal year my riding is split 30/70 hill/touring. but this year its been all touring. long slow endurance days.

    for the last week i’ve been mountain biking. I’m shocked at my lack of jam when it comes to short steep climbs. climbs that three to four months a go i could hammer up have me off my bike pushing. and it’s not like I’ve been sitting on the couch.

    you just out the pieces together for me. looks like i need to balance my time a bit more between mountain bikes and snow if i’m not going to be riding lifts.

    #626150
    russman
    689 Posts

    Isn’t it fascinating how performance changes?! If you’ve been touring a ton, you might just be a little overtrained. Nutrition is super essential too. If you’ve been getting leaner all winter from all the touring it could just be that you need some down time…

    Your point about resort riding is interesting too. I think riding lifts is super good for the lactate system and really focusing on that explosive power on your board. I kind of think of lift riding as “gym time” for the backcountry. It allows you to really focus on technique and balance, and if you eat a lot while you do it, you can really increase muscle strength and hypertrophy.

    If any of you guys have heart rate monitors, try wearing one while you ride!! Its amazing… On touring trips I try to keep my intensity lower than 140 beats/minute. That way I can go all day without bonking. In bounds, it goes up as high as 180 beats/minute if I’m shredding super hard, which is basically lactate threshold training. So of course balancing the two is essential…

    Basically, to increase high end anaerobic power, you want to decrease total exercise volume, increase intensity, increase time spent sleeping, and increase calories.

    #626151
    aliasptr
    282 Posts

    This is really great discussion. I’m still only 26 but I was a machine when I was, say, 15. The previous post is really true for me too. In the resort I pound myself on the down and then of course relax on the chair up. I’ll find I’ll go hard for 3 hours and feel dead but if I chill for 30 minutes maybe I feel relatively fresh.

    I also grew up snowboarding and playing lots of ice hockey (as a goaltender) so again lots of bursts of intense energy with breaks in between. Backpacking was really my only endurance activity.

    As a result I rationalize my suck ass endurance while skinning from those two factors. 😀

    I’m working on training though and endurance and also bought
    “CONDITIONING FOR OUTDOOR FITNESS” by The Mountaineers Books (ISBN 978-0-89886-756-5) To try to help me shed some light on my only personal fitness level.

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