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  • #802996
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    @barrows, @buell, @whitepine, @jimmyc, @powder_rider, @bcrider, @keffler.

    I posted a version of this in the splitboard talk forum a little while ago, but have been able to try out a few things riding in bounds and teaching over the last couple weeks.

    I have been using my Phantom setup with modified TLT6’s on my Jones Solution splitboard for two seasons now. I run it at +18/-15, with a 23.5″ stance width; which is the same as my soft boot resort riding angles.

    In bounds at Squaw though, where I teach snowboarding and end up riding 50-100 days a year, I was using K2 Thraxis boots with Union Travis Rice bindings on a Jones Flagship and a Prior AMF. On those boards I ride everything from park to groomers to bumps to powder, regular and switch (both in and out of lessons).

    My problem was that I blew out the Thraxis (usually smoke a pair a season) and after rediscovering the videos of Chad Otterstrom on the Phantom Facebook page riding modified TLT6 with Phantoms on jumps and rails and in the halfpipe, I decided to give it a go. I put the Phantoms on my Prior AMF and went at it, but found myself paranoid about leaving the board on a rack because it would be easy for someone to take the binding if they knew what they were looking at.

    So I searched around the abandoned gear pile in the locker room and came across a pair of old Bomber TD2’s and have been riding and teaching in them since. I really like how, for me, the TLT’s upper flexes like my Thraxis cranked down, but I have the benefit of power transmission when I want it thanks to the stiff lower portion. (Shades of Damien Sanders?)

    However, I do not like the ride height of the TD2, the heavy canting, nor the stiffness of the binding. What plate bindings should I be looking at if I am going to keep this setup? F2 Titanium Race? F2 Carve RS? Carve Company Speed (Burton/Ibex)? PHK Highlander? PHK 69.5?

    Thanks!

    knuckle dragger

    #802999
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    Any of the Bomber bindings are going to be too heavy and too stiff for what you want to accomplish. The canting is dependent on the cant base plate that you have. They come in zero, three, and six degrees. It sounds like you have a 3 or a 6.

    I ride the F2 Race Titaniums on my carve board with real hardboots. They are both lighter and more flexible than Bombers. If you are a bigger guy, the Race Titaniums might work.

    The F2 Carve RS or the Carve Company bindings will be the most flexible of the hardboot bindings and the ones I would test first. I have not tried either binding so I cannot compare them but the Carve RS was the binding I was considering when thinking of using my TLT6s inbounds.

    I do not know anything about the Phiokka bindings.

    All the hardboot binding options will be taller than Phantoms. Burtons might be the lowest? The F2s have sizes, so make sure you are getting the size that fits your boot.

    Bola at All Board Sports, YYZ Canuck, and Donek might have the F2s. Bomber and the Carve Company might have the Carve Company bindings. You might be able to post a WTB on BOL and get a used pair of any of the bindings. I have a used pair of medium F2 Race Titaniums, which will fit up to around a 27 mondo boot, that I could sell.

    #803000
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    Thanks @buell.

    I also posted this question to the BOL forums for their input.

    Does anyone know the ride heights of those respective bindings for comparison?

    For the record I am a bigger guy: 6’4″ and over 200lbs with a 29 mondo.

    knuckle dragger

    #803003
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    499 Posts

    Yes, bigger guy.

    Let BOL know your size and what kind of riding you want to do on the bindings. It will make a difference on how much flex you can get out of a pair of bindings and how strong they need to be to hold up to your size. I know a 200 pound carver who broke both pairs of F2 Carve RXs at one time and I know another 200 pound carver who rides the Burtons and they hold up. I am not sure if this is an accurate representation of those two bindings’ durability, but it is interesting.

    #803026
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    ibex is 15/16 (23mm)”, no canting
    phantom is 9/16 – 12/16″ canted, say 15mm average
    i don’t have F2s anymore, they were taller than the ibex, over an inch… there may be a post somewhere way back….

    never summer snowboards
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    dynafit touring

    #803065
    Profile photo of Kahti RyanKahti Ryan
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    @jimy how do you find the setup for flatland stuff? Have just spent a large portion of this week buttering around with my students and can imagine doing it on anything stiffer than my soft setup (squishy DC’s and Cartels on a Trice pro) would cause some pressure points/serious lower leg fatigue!

    Am keen for the idea of boots that don’t turn to mush after half a season though.

    What do your students say when you rock up in hard boots??

    #803110
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    @kahti-ryan

    I had a lot of friends and fellow instructors ask me about flatland buttery stuff. I have had no problem with it. I find the medial and lateral flex of the TLT6 (not to mention the fact that I have my forward lean plate filed down to be close to 0) more than adequate for my long levers and big frame. I can do presses, half-cab tail press back 1 out, nose press 3’s, and low angle skidded turns no problem. The boot cuff certainly feels different but it hasn’t led to any more pressure points or fatigue than with my Nike Kaiju’s, Thirty-Two Double Boas, K2 Thraxis, or Salomon Malmutes in the past.

    What do your students say when you rock up in hard boots??

    Usually they ask if they are ski boots or say something along the lines of “I have never seen boots/bindings like that before.” My responses fall in to two categories: 1. first timers and beginners: it’s a more advanced riding system. yes it is easier to get in and out of the binding, but I will still be able teach you how to use your boots and bindings properly. 2. more advanced riders: the boot is modified so that the upper cuff flexes just like those soft boots, but I get the benefit of the hard shell lower when i want the transfer of power.

    knuckle dragger

    #804151
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    499 Posts

    @Jimy, you may have seen them, but a pair of Carve Company bindings are for sale on BOL.

    Carve Company bindings for sale

    #804152
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    58 Posts

    @Jimy, you may have seen them, but a pair of Carve Company bindings are for sale on BOL.

    Carve Company bindings for sale

    I had not! Thanks for the heads up!

    knuckle dragger

    #805589
    Profile photo of Mr_OrangeMr_Orange
    64 Posts

    Spark dyno’s have the same stack height as phantoms.

    They do have thicker bails and are slightly stiffer that phantoms though.

    If you put some small pieces of gorilla tape on the sides of the pucks before sliding on the bindings, it’s actually really hard to pull off the dyno’s with just your hands. You have to use a rubber mallet hammer to get them off.

    I’ve only tried the tape thing on Prowder Saddle pucks (not sure if they even sell those anymore) but im sure it should work on other types of pucks too. Those pucks actually fit kind of loose so that’s why i tried add tape to the insides and it worked.

    Really though, if someone wanted your Phantoms, it’d be way faster to just snatch the entire board.

    One thing to note is that if you knuckle a jump landing hard, both dyno and phantom binding levers have come off on me (always on the rear foor for some reason). I’ve since made mods that leash/lock down the levers to my boot tongue. Maybe I’ll post some pics one day.

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