Forums Bindings Phantom bindings. How tight should the locking pins be?
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  • #797845
    Mr_Orange
    76 Posts

    Got phantoms. Installing them for the first time.

    There’s no specific mention in the PDF instructions about how tight the lock pin should be.

    Can they be too tight?

    Also, the phantoms i got have this nut around the threading of the locking pin. This nut is not shown in the PDF. I’m assuming you tighten this nut to lock everything down after you finish adjusting the position of the pins….?

    #797852
    SkateBananas
    178 Posts

    I tighten mine up to the point where the pins center themselves into the cleat and there is no more slop or play in the binding. Too loose and you will notice that there is a little side to side play in the binding. Too tight and you will have trouble opening and closing them especially in the backcountry.

    You are correct that the nut is to hold it in position once you have the tension adjusted.

    #797970
    Mr_Orange
    76 Posts

    I finished adjusting mine but applied the loctite way too early.

    I’d suggest making sure you get the pins fully dialed in before applying loctite.

    When i go and tighten the nuts, the pin rotates out of the ideal position too because the dried loctite causes friction.

    I need to find a way to clean the loctite off the threads and reapply it.

    Anyone know if a bike degreaser or rubbing alcohol works?

    #797971
    summersgone
    814 Posts

    Did you use red loctite? Blue shouldn’t have any issue removing by hand. I regularly swap between boards the screws. Phantom sends blue with the kit. Red, a quick google search seems a few options (like a heat gun), I personally haven’t dealt with though. Sorry couldn’t be more help.

    #798011
    Mr_Orange
    76 Posts

    I used the included blue loctite.

    The nut isn’t completely stuck. There just happens to be enough friction from the dried blue loctite gunk that rotating the nut will rotate the entire pin. Whereas previous to the loctite, the nut can loosely rotate independently of the pin.

    I know you can remove grease from threads with a degreaser, but there’s gotta be a similar kind of thing for blue loctite.

    It’s actually kinda tricky to find that sweet spot between the pins being too loose vs it being really hard to pry open the levers. The levers fold down more easily than they lift up.

    Btw, can you not use cants? I wasn’t sure if the bail blocks were threaded at the angle of the cants. Didn’t want to risk messing up the threads.

    Got to try these for the first time today. Feels great overall.

    Word of caution though, if you’re using a La Sportiva sideral boot, make sure to set the bails at the tightest possible setting. My rear boot unclipped after landing a jump and i had to shift the rear bails forward a notch.

    The rear bail height seems to be setup for some other kind of boot (probabily dynafit). I used the spark dynos before this and the ends of the bails were threaded so you can adjust the height of the bails.

    #798028
    summersgone
    814 Posts

    So you are loctiting the pin and the nut? I don’t do that, only the screws to the board and that interface. It is a fine line on too tight vs not enough. I just loosen the nut all the way, then find that sweet spot, then crank down the nut. After a few times its pretty second nature. Cants should be built into your bail blocks already. If you need more, maybe reach out to Phantom.

    #798042
    Mr_Orange
    76 Posts

    ya, i loctited both.

    For the cants, i meant is it possible to not any cants. I have the stock 3.5 degree ones on right now.

    #798078
    summersgone
    814 Posts

    I’m really not sure what you are trying to say @mr_orange. You can add or remove cants in the system, they come with Phantoms and sit under the bail block. You can ask for more if you want more (if John doesn’t have any, I have 2 spares) or you can take them out if you want by removing the screws and taking them out.

    #798081
    Mr_Orange
    76 Posts

    I want to use the phantoms without the 3.5 cants they come pre-installed with. I want to remove the cants and just use the toe and heel blocks flat.

    I wasn’t sure if that was possible because i thought maybe the heel and toe blocks bolt holes were drilled/threaded in a 3.5 angle and if you tried to install them without the cants (flat), the threading would be messed up.

    My friend pointed out to me though that the heel and toe block bolt holes are probably just drilled/threaded straight and that it’s the beveled holes and the countersunk bolt tips that allow you to install them at different angles.

    I guess if you’re saying you can add or remove the cants, then that must be the case.

    #798082
    summersgone
    814 Posts

    I’m not 100% sure, but I think they are drilled straight. You should be able to remove the cants if you want, just probably be aware of screw length once tightened to have the screw not coming out of the bail block, if so, use a smaller screw.

    Just an FYI, the cants are in at 3.5 percent to remove the cant built in from TLT’s, so basically it puts your foot flat. interesting you want to remove that, but hey, give er a shot.

    #798083
    Mr_Orange
    76 Posts

    Interesting, I didn’t know the tlt’s were pre-canted. I remember trying them on and didn’t even notice.

    I have la sportiva siderals though and i don’t think those are canted.

    I know several soft boot bindings that do canting and it’s because some people actually prefer to have their legs angled in laterally.

    The canting doesn’t feel bad the day i tried it but i’ve had knee issues in the past and when i did physical therapy, I was told that when you do a proper safe squat, you should flare your knees outwards laterally. They said that the way people get injured doing heavy squats is when their knees buckle inwards.

    #798150
    SkateBananas
    178 Posts

    Interesting, I didn’t know the tlt’s were pre-canted. I remember trying them on and didn’t even notice.

    I have la sportiva siderals though and i don’t think those are canted.

    I know several soft boot bindings that do canting and it’s because some people actually prefer to have their legs angled in laterally.

    The canting doesn’t feel bad the day i tried it but i’ve had knee issues in the past and when i did physical therapy, I was told that when you do a proper safe squat, you should flare your knees outwards laterally. They said that the way people get injured doing heavy squats is when their knees buckle inwards.

    Are you power lifting on your split board? 🙂

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