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  • #783920
    SanFrantastico
    1514 Posts

    Hey!

    I went on gear lockdown (no new gear) in 2008 because I needed to put all my resources into a new endeavor. Man I didn’t expect to be in hibernation for so long. Well now I’m back, gear lockdown is over, and I’m getting ready for the new season. There are like 8 trillion splitboard options on the market now and I would love some advice on choosing a new board.

    I’m looking for that holy grail all-mountain board that performs in every situation. But I know that design is all about tradeoffs. I care about things in this order:

    1. Must always float. Otherwise there is no point to being on the thing. (I’m 6’1″, 195 lbs.)
    2. Must hold, turn, and inspires confidence in steep, tight, less-than-idea conditions including hard snow and mank.
    3. Responsive turning, even at low speed in the run out.
    4. Light weight/easy skinning.
    5. Stable at high speeds.
    6. Durable.
    7. Jibbing is last on the list.

    In general I’m probably looking for a directional board with moderate taper and camber under foot. I’ve never had a splitboard that I’ve truly loved. My most recent go-to board was one of those green Voile 166’s circa 2007 or so, from right before everyone started adding rocker to boards. I like that board for its float, its ability to bash through shitty snow, and its performance at speed, but otherwise it was kind of a pig to turn.

    I’m kinda thinking of the Rossignol XV Magtech 167, but I worry that it is too stiff.

    Any thoughts, recommendations??

    Putting the poo in swimming pool since 1968.

    #783923
    Rico in AZ
    559 Posts

    Woah SanFran’s back!
    Maybe you can call Bcrider, Powderjunkie, and Ecobrad and get them out of retirement too. Does your reemergence have something to do with the rumored El Nino?

    Kidding aside, I would have pointed you to the Venture Storm, fits all of your requirements except the lightweight part. But alas they’ve gone tits up just a couple weeks ago. I’d expect there’s still some unsold Venture boards out there in the marketplace, but I think maybe considering their reputation, any unsold boards might have actually gone up in price.
    So, sorry not much help.

    Welcome back OG.

    #783925
    bcall8
    125 Posts

    That is a pretty good list of demands…. The Rossi is a board that has had my interest as well. It is suppose to have a softer tail than nose which I would think would help with slower speed turning. But my overall impression is that the board is built for straight out speed (just my observation from reading about it). I have a Jones solution which I think has a very versatile shape. Skins/climbs great, stable, float is pretty good for an all around board, does well in variable conditions. I think that the board can be pretty maneuverable but it is important to get the right size. I have the 166 which is great in open areas and some glades, but it can be a lot to push around in tight spots. I think for me the 164 would have been more nimble due to a skinner waist. Most people probably wont say that the Jones is high on the durability list. I don’t think that it is weak, but its not in the bomber category like a Venture in my mind. Speaking of, if you can find a last years model from Venture that would be a great choice. Another brand that comes to mind is Furberg. They have a very loyal following and I think they would be up your alley. Just out of curiosity what do you consider jibbing and why is it on your list? Happy shopping

    #783928
    summersgone
    813 Posts

    I’d probably lean towards the new Furberg for you. I like my two boards right now and would recommend either based on what you wrote. I have the first generation furberg 162 and a prospector 160, and I find them two very different boards. I’m 5’7″, 150 for reference. The Furberg certainly floats better, and surprisingly pretty nimble in trees. The Prospector is better on harder snow conditions, rails turns better, and is a better skinner. The prospector is a bit more “all mountain”, but damn the furberg has been fun in everything (except full bulletproof, but nothing is). Both are pretty good at speed, but I haven’t really had the prospector fully open (in corn though), but the furberg goes flat out fast. Our snow is generally lighter, so the furberg will probably come out more for me, until mountaineering season, then probably the Prospector, because I’m a bit more confident on steeps with it (and it fits ski crampons). I also have less days owning the Prospector for a great comparison. I need to put it through the pow day pace again. In heavier pow, I liked the furberg way better though.

    Based on what you said, here’s how I rate both boards:

    1. Float = Furberg, I have trouble tomahawking it, and I’m a master at that shit.
    2. Turn Confidence in crud = Prospector, turns in pow = Furberg is more fun. furberg is actually a bit more nimble.
    3. Responsive turning = Prospector carves better and really locks in turns, where furberg slarves better, more playful in light snow
    4. Lightweight = Furberg, skinning ability = Prospector.
    5. Stable at high speeds = Furberg I’d say, but no great comparison
    6. Durable = Prospector for sure, furberg isn’t the most durable, took a few core shots what I felt was sort of easy. Top sheet not the best.
    7. Jibbing is last on the list. I don’t do that shit, unless you are talking about pillows, then Furberg all the way

    Really the biggest difference I find is the type of turn they make. The prospector is more “locked in”, where furberg is more slarvy. And that is really preference.

    #783929
    SanFrantastico
    1514 Posts

    @bcall8 – Sorry if I was unclear with my list. I understand that there are tradeoffs, so I ordered my requirements from very important to not so important. So..

    1. IT MUST FLOAT.

    to

    7. I don’t really care about jibbing.

    Putting the poo in swimming pool since 1968.

    #783930
    SanFrantastico
    1514 Posts

    @ricorides – Hey man! I started up a business which sucked down every spare second and every red penny of mine for the last 5 years, so I’ve been a little out of it. Now that I’m back working for the man, I obviously have a renewed interest in dicking around on the internet/dreaming of powder. But it seems like I missed some pretty sad-sack snow years. I hope some snow plus some of the other OGs will show up this year too… we will see.

    Putting the poo in swimming pool since 1968.

    #783932
    bcall8
    125 Posts

    Summersgone- I find it interesting that you like your prospector better for climbing. Doesn’t it have a pretty pronounced rocker under foot? I thought that the never summer boards were pretty similar in profile to lib tech. I don’t doubt your assessment but it is different from what I would have thought.

    #783933
    summersgone
    813 Posts

    @bcall8, the version 1 Furberg is full reverse camber (maybe reverse flat, don’t know), and the Prospector has rocker camber, so it allows it to grip a bit better under touring pressure. I still think a Venture tours better than both (and any cambered board probably), but if I was to give tour-ability to either the Prospector wins, on grip mostly, and the Prospector is a bit narrower so its a little easier to get sidehill grip with when it gets icy. Both get the job done though. The new Furberg I would expect tours better based on it being camber now, but I’ve heard it doesn’t float well from a couple people.

    #783935
    permnation
    302 Posts

    1. IT MUST FLOAT.

    I would track down a 167 or 173 furberg from their first 3 years and DIY it. Besides a reverse/reverse (hammock, euphoria), I am confident in stating the furberg 1.0’s are the “floatiest” boards out there.

    #783940
    SanFrantastico
    1514 Posts

    Thanks for the advice, I will look into both of those a little more, especially the Furberg. But first let me ask your opinion on:

    2. Must hold, turn, and inspires confidence in steep, tight, less-than-idea conditions including hard snow and mank.

    It’s easy enough to find a board that floats. My bare minimum is that it has to always float me because otherwise what’s the point? But in following Buffy and Jim around I sometimes find myself in a position where I am pooping myself and at those times would like to have 100% confidence that my board will make it easier for me, not harder. So given that, do you still recommend the Furberg, or would something like Rossignol XV or ?? inspire more confidence?

    BTW good recommendation on the Venture Storm too… I had put that one out of mind on the news that Venture doesn’t seem to be in business, but maybe I can find one out there somewhere. The 166 might be perfect.

    For the Prospector… I’m not sure if I should be freaked out by the rocker between the feet, with camber under the feet. Anyone know the theory behind that? I haven’t really been following that kinda stuff and had been thinking more traditional camber between the feet for item 2, above.

    Putting the poo in swimming pool since 1968.

    #783948
    HansGLudwig
    601 Posts

    @sanfrantastico – Welcome back!
    The idea behind that camber profile is you get the edge-hold and pop of camber (albeit under each foot instead of the length of the board) while getting the serious float and surfy ride of full (banana) rocker. The camber sections load the board so it presses into the snow for edge hold and the rocker in the middle allows you to keep the tip up without leg-burn of riding in the back seat. They tend to be twinned-out so you can do tricks and sh*t (if that’s you jam).
    Those profiles tend to be marketed as “all-mountain-free-(whatever)”: land switch, ride ice, and float in pow.
    I’ve heard good things about the ride quality. However, they’ve been out a few years now and they have yet to take the world by storm. I think it’s because while they can “do it all,” they don’t really excel in any condition.
    One drawback of a board with this profile is touring which requires the rocker-touring technique on steroids. When touring mode on hard snow, the only part of the board touching the snow is directly underfoot; the rest sort of hovers in air. This is a non-issue in good snow.

    My 2¢ – The Rossi meets most of your needs and is sick at high speeds. However it’s stiffness will make it hard to turn runout & tree speeds. Same for any of the carbon Jones boards.
    Jones Solution and Hovercraft are nice all-round boards. Hovercraft will always float while it’s camber makes for nice skinning. Solution is be better at mach speed. I didn’t hear any quality issues with last year’s Jones’ boards. They might have gotten the production thing dialed.
    Have you given Prior boards a look? Build quality is almost as bomber as Venture. Their Backcountry split is an all-round classic. And their Spearhead seems to fit your list nicely.

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    #783953
    buell
    532 Posts

    A couple of thoughts from my experience.

    I have the first generation Furberg and it definitely floats. Mine is a solid, so I have not ridden it in backcountry conditions. If it was a split, I don’t think it would be my go to board in the Eastern Sierra conditions.

    I have enjoyed riding the Solution and think it works well in a variety of conditions. It has more float that I expected and the 158 is very loose for me at 145 pounds. I have not found it to be the high speed machine that it is reputed to be, but it holds its own. I have last season’s model and am on my 3rd one. The first I took back to REI because it was missing half of its rail width on one side of the tail. I warrantied the second one because it came from the factory with a 5 to 6 degree base bevel, which was downright dangerous on firm, steeper snow. I am excited to get more days on it though and like the ride and the lighter weight.

    I had a Spearhead for several years and it does not handle mixed conditions well, at all. It was a great splitboard for Utah, but I would not want it in the Eastern Sierra unless you know you were just in powder for the day.

    I have not found the BC split to be a great board, but maybe their new carbon constructions would make it ride better or they have changed the design a bit.

    #783955
    SanFrantastico
    1514 Posts

    @hansgludwig – Thanks for the info on that camber profile and also for your suggestions.

    Since I’m looking to buy one go-to board for this season, I think I prolly won’t go with one of the more ‘out there’ designs. The Furberg for example seems interesting and people seem to love it. If I already had a trusty go-to board already it might be a fun experiment, but I think I don’t want to go that radical for this board. My only backup is an elderly Voile Mojo and that thing was cooked a long time ago. I dunno, even the Rossignol may be too radical for this buy. If I hated the stiffness I would be out of luck for the season.

    The Prior backcountry is a really good recommendation of a workhorse, can’t fail, all mountain board that has been well loved for a long time. I probably couldn’t miss with a Jones Solution 166 either.

    For now I think my best options are:

    Prior Backcountry 168
    Jones Solution 166
    Rossignol XV Magtech 167

    Have I missed anything along these lines? I think Voile is out because I’ve ridden enough planks from them and their topsheets are always so fugly. Anyone have thoughts on the Amplid Milligram??

    Putting the poo in swimming pool since 1968.

    #783966
    96avs01
    874 Posts

    Woah SanFran’s back!
    Maybe you can call Bcrider, Powderjunkie, and Ecobrad and get them out of retirement too. Does your reemergence have something to do with the rumored El Nino?

    Welcome back OG.

    Agreed, welcome back Storn! I’ve got a Furberg and a Solution, and for your list of criteria I’d say the Solution would be the better fit. If you’re rolling around with Jim, I’ve told him he’s more than welcome to swing by and take the Furberg out for a test spin. Though it’s setup with Phantoms, so you’d have to do a hardwear swap. Nonetheless, I’d extend the same offer to you. Fingers crossed for a decent winter!

    165 Venture Divide/Spark Frankenburners/La Sportiva Spantiks
    163W Jones Solution/Phantom Alphas/Dynafit TLT5s
    162 Furberg

    Chris

    #783978
    TEX
    2486 Posts

    Holly Crap Batman I think I know this guy. Did you used to drive a short bus and have long ass hair ?

    Does this maen 20115/16 wont be my go back to resort riding year?

    Are you going to include me on some of your shenanigans? Do you have anymore dreamcatcher earings?

    Hey, I have two boards you can try out. A Venture Helix 164 ? And my Jones Solution 165

    Im willing to meet uyou somewhere to explain how they work.

    Good to have you back my Hippie Friend

    #783979
    SanFrantastico
    1514 Posts

    @tex – Dude I’m coming back big time. The dreamcatcher earrings weren’t quite the financial windfall that I thought they would be, but I’ve been in a much stronger position ever since I found out that one of my neighbors has free chickens in his backyard. Now I just need to get my hands on a splitboard. And can you give me a ride to Vancouver? I heard that pot and other medical supplies are free up there in Canada so I can pay you back when we get there.

    @96avs01 – Hey Chris! I talked to Jim last night and we agreed to session your Furberg this season if there is any snow. We are both dying to try it. BTW does the Furberg kinda remind anyone else of the 172 Winterstick Tom Burt Model? That is such a beautiful board, I wish I was man enough to ride it.

    Sounds like all paths keep circling back to the Jones Solution. Maybe that’s the board for me. I wanna talk to PowderJunkie because he rode a Prior Backcountry for long time and I heard that Henning has an Amplid Milligram. I am kinda salivating over the Amplid, but it’s a lot of $$ to throw down.

    Putting the poo in swimming pool since 1968.

    #783989
    rughty
    620 Posts

    Good to see you back Storn! I would have to jump on the Jones Solution bandwagon. It floats and rides through everything exceptionally well and inspires the utmost confidence when required!!! Really a no brainer when looking for an all around deck especially for directional riders like myself…

    #783990
    buell
    532 Posts

    I have a Milligram coming and looking forward to trying it. It is a bit of an unknown and rather expensive but really light and seems to have a good design to deal with anything. It’s outline and camber are similar to the Solution and Peter Bauer has been riding and designing boards for a long time so I am expecting (hoping) it is a really good board.

    #784000
    SanFrantastico
    1514 Posts

    Hey Ken! Hey Buell! I think I’m 95% sold on the Solution. Now I just have to figure out 166 vs 165W. My feet are on the cusp and I would rather have the narrower board if I can pull it off.

    I think the Milligram isn’t totally unknown. The shape is similar to the Solution and actually based off of the Creamer, which people have ridden. It sounds like the Creamer started as a powder board and has changed over the years to be more all-mountain. The design is similar to the solution except it sounds like less camber between the feet (Bauer describes it as flat between the feet) and a less active and rockered tail compared to the Solution. (I haven’t seen them side-by-side that is just the vibe I’ve gotten from reading reviews, for whatever that’s worth.) So it seems like the Solution prolly wins on points 2 and 3, above. Still it would be so awesome to have a 5.5 lb splitboard. But I guess for that kind of $$ I could get a Carbon Solution.

    Putting the poo in swimming pool since 1968.

    #784070
    buell
    532 Posts

    San Frantastico, we are after the same board it seems.

    Just found this new video of the Milligram.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNb96mHOags

    Camber profile looks a lot like my 158 Solution from last year. Oddly, my wife’s 154 Solution from last year has more camber and the rocker starts 10″ closer to the nose than my 161. I have seen 3 different boards of both sizes and they are all the same, so it was not a one off.

    I have had a 158 Carbon Solution in my hands and it is insanely stiff, especially from the middle of the board through the tail. I just could not see it being fun for me, but who knows, as I haven’t ridden it. Interestingly, it is only an ounce or two lighter than the regular Solution.

    My impression of the Milligram, having not touched one yet, is that it is a bit more forgiving board than the Carbon Solution.

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