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  • #576754
    Scooby2
    620 Posts

    Forget trying to shave a half pound off your deck, how about just keeping snow off

    http://www.neverwet.com/anti-icing.php

    #654645
    whistlermaverick
    312 Posts

    Exactly.

    All the weight shaving in the world won’t make a huge difference till we get the snow off. Hopefully these guys are going to market soon.

    @j.memay

    #654646
    KGN
    215 Posts

    @whistlermaverick wrote:

    Exactly.

    All the weight shaving in the world won’t make a huge difference till we get the snow off. Hopefully these guys are going to market soon.

    Well, your still saving weight 😉

    Has anybody found that different types of top sheets stick less? I have a mat finish top, seems it doesn’t stick anymore than a glossy one to me, but I am not too sure.

    http://www.zardoznotwax.com/what-is-notwax/faqs.php

    I read that stuff can help, or rubbing wax on the top sheet. Any thoughts?

    #654647
    maniacdave
    564 Posts

    Anyone ever tried RainX? Was thinking of giving that a go on both the top sheet & Sparks.

    That was Pontus

    #654648
    JSteigs
    47 Posts

    @KGN wrote:

    @whistlermaverick wrote:

    Exactly.

    Has anybody found that different types of top sheets stick less? I have a mat finish top, seems it doesn’t stick anymore than a glossy one to me, but I am not too sure.

    Today at the resort I noticed the only place that the snow was sticking to my topsheet was where it was black. I was very defined and obvious that the black surface was able to collect/transfer enough heat to create an icy spot for snow to collect. Long story short, black top sheet=more snow sticking.

    #654649
    Hp_Sauce
    35 Posts

    @maniacdave wrote:

    Anyone ever tried RainX? Was thinking of giving that a go on both the top sheet & Sparks.

    I RainX’d half of my Hovercraft split a few months ago (and left the other half untreated)… Did not notice any difference at all, the snow seemed to stick equally (in large amounts) on both sides.

    Disclaimer: I only used a very minimal amount of RainX on the above mentioned first try. I plan to try it again with lots of RainX and see if it helps at all. (infact, maybe I will do that now, since I am going touring tomorrow).

    I also read that Pledge, or any sort of wood treatment/dust remover can help… was thinking to try that next.

    -hps

    #654650
    Bjorgvin
    74 Posts

    Remember when applying any sort of repellent wax or formula the board has to be superclean before you apply. I have some nanotech stuff that I use on my car glass. I may try that.

    #654651
    DrownedRat
    119 Posts

    I’ve been using liquid car wax and have had pretty good luck keeping the snow from sticking.

    2017 Baker Splitfest, March 17th to 19th!

    #654652
    Taylor
    794 Posts

    Liquid wax – good tip. Anyone ever try simply rubbing wax onto a top sheet?

    Chimera topsheets are p-tex to shed snow… http://www.chimerasnowboards.com/nonsticktopsheet.html …Seems like it’d work without sacrificing too much durability (if tough enough for the bottom of a board, should be tough enough for the top).

    @sun_rocket

    #654653
    Hp_Sauce
    35 Posts

    I put a nice coat of RainX on the right side of my board (so the left ski while touring) on Thursday night and then went out on Friday for some laps.

    After the first skin up (on the S.W. side, where there was more sun hitting the board & snow), I noticed no difference at all between the 2 halves.

    After the second skin up (on the shady N.E. side), I was surprised to see that the RainX’d ski (on the left in the below photo) actually had MORE snow stuck to it.

    There might be certain conditions where the RainX works… But personally I’m going to try other things in search of better results.

    -hps

    #654654
    barrows
    1490 Posts

    Noting that snow almost never sticks to the base of my board, I think that Chimera’s ptex topsheets may be a great approach. Just hot wax the topsheet, perhaps with high silicone content spring snow wax, scrape and buff it out, and I believe there would be much less snow sticking. I also have it on good authority that the ptex topsheet offers very good durability, and additional damping vs traditional topsheet materials.
    I do not have a Chimera (yet) to test this theorizing on, anyone with a Chimera care to comment?

    #654655
    FloImSchnee
    291 Posts

    @barrows wrote:

    Noting that snow almost never sticks to the base of my board, I think that Chimera’s ptex topsheets may be a great approach.

    I think so too! This is the reason, why I ordered my next year’s Prior Spearhead XTC with P-Tex as a topsheet. Hope that this will keep the snow off better.

    It would be absurd to pay an upcharge for carbon contruction to save weight first, and then carry around 0,5-2kg of snow…

    #654656
    Zude
    367 Posts

    P-tex top sheet +1, I’m going to use some rub on wax on the top sheet for a trip into some spring pow hopefully this weekend. Will report back…

    #654657
    KGN
    215 Posts

    I would be interested to know how that board turns out, and how a P tex top sheet does.

    I am not really sure it will prevent snow. I think there are two types of snow buildup, one is just heavy snow pilling up, the other is more the sunny but colder days where you are hiking into the alpine, and ice droplets start to form and melt/ freeze, allowing snow to build on that. Anyways, I will try some stuff next time I am out. It would be interesting and worthwhile to find out what works and what doesn’t, it is pretty annoying to have 2 pounds of junk on your board.

    Edit
    http://offpistemag.com/permalink.asp?id=552

    This post mentioned Armor All in the comments, that stuff you use on the inside of your car. Maybe worth a shot?

    #654658
    Jason4
    443 Posts

    I used PAM cooking spray once and it seemed to do the trick. The downside is that the climbing wires seemed to develop more play (less friction?) and one ended up breaking.

    #654659
    ieism
    298 Posts

    Some type of nano stuff Harvard scientist came up with.

    [youtube:335cr9ea]Ax9dqB1VP3Q[/youtube:335cr9ea]

    Also carbon fibre seems to have hydrophobic qualities without any coating already. So a carbon topsheet might not be a bad idea.

    ” Similarly, silica nanoparticles can be deposited on top of already hydrophobic carbon fabric.[33] The carbon fabric by itself is identified as inherently hydrophobic, but not distinguished as superhydrophobic since its contact angle isn’t higher than 150°. With the adhesion of silica nanoparticles, contact angles as high as 162° are achieved. Using silica nano-particles is also of interest to develop transparent hydrophobic materials for car windshields and self-cleaning windows.[34] By coating an already transparent surface with nano-silica with about 1% wt., droplet contact angles can raise up to 168° with a 12° sliding angle.”

    Also a coating like Neverwet is not exactly new. 3M has had similar coatings for ages: http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/3MNovec/Home/ProductCatalog/?PC_7_RJH9U5230OOA50IEKHCMDN11H0000000_nid=JZ15KT89H0beRSFFXGDP37gl

    http://flatlandsplitfest.com/

    #654660
    BGnight
    1382 Posts

    Just bought 2 cans of NeverWet from Rustoleum at Home Depot for $19. It’s says “multi surface liquid repelling treatment (water, mud, ice)
    I plan on using it on one ski to start the season to see how well it works. I’ll update this thread with results. Here’s to hoping it works! I still think worrying about lighter splitboard technology is silly when you’re touring through pow with an extra 4 lbs on each foot from snow buildup.

    #654661
    whistlermaverick
    312 Posts

    @ieism wrote:

    Some type of nano stuff Harvard scientist came up with.

    [youtube:37ib7xw9]Ax9dqB1VP3Q[/youtube:37ib7xw9]

    Also carbon fibre seems to have hydrophobic qualities without any coating already. So a carbon topsheet might not be a bad idea.

    ” Similarly, silica nanoparticles can be deposited on top of already hydrophobic carbon fabric.[33] The carbon fabric by itself is identified as inherently hydrophobic, but not distinguished as superhydrophobic since its contact angle isn’t higher than 150°. With the adhesion of silica nanoparticles, contact angles as high as 162° are achieved. Using silica nano-particles is also of interest to develop transparent hydrophobic materials for car windshields and self-cleaning windows.[34] By coating an already transparent surface with nano-silica with about 1% wt., droplet contact angles can raise up to 168° with a 12° sliding angle.”

    Also a coating like Neverwet is not exactly new. 3M has had similar coatings for ages: http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/3MNovec/Home/ProductCatalog/?PC_7_RJH9U5230OOA50IEKHCMDN11H0000000_nid=JZ15KT89H0beRSFFXGDP37gl

    Hydrophobic and superhydrophobic coatings are completely different

    @j.memay

    #654662
    96avs01
    875 Posts

    @BGnight wrote:

    Just bought 2 cans of NeverWet from Rustoleum at Home Depot for $19. It’s says “multi surface liquid repelling treatment (water, mud, ice)
    I plan on using it on one ski to start the season to see how well it works. I’ll update this thread with results. Here’s to hoping it works! I still think worrying about lighter splitboard technology is silly when you’re touring through pow with an extra 4 lbs on each foot from snow buildup.

    Thanks Brooks, look forward to hearing your experiences. :thumpsup:

    165 Venture Divide/Spark Frankenburners/La Sportiva Spantiks
    163W Jones Solution/Phantom Alphas/Dynafit TLT5s
    162 Furberg

    Chris

    #654663
    Matt Wood
    328 Posts

    Don’t waste your time or money. I used it on an old pack and some old boots before a expected wet backpacking trip. It made the pack material brittle and left a white residue on it, the (leather) boots also looked like they were sprayed with white paint. Boots repelled water for about the first mile.

    Nice buzz during application though.

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