Forums Boots Made the switch to hardboots finally..
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  • #797333
    KGN
    215 Posts

    Well after having used tlt6s laying around for a year, I finally started the process and made the switch over. Two tours on them so far. I am using canted pucks with my regular duck stance, speed radicals, with spark hardware for mounting from splitboardhq(friendly guys) and Dyno DH bindings. I know phantom makes the best, but I got the Dyno DH used, so financially for the first year anyways, I went with Spark. I tried to get toe pieces and heel risers through Phantom( becuase they are the lightest) but they didn’t have any to sell individually. Of course the spark stuff is high quality just like their soft bindings so Im not too worried about it.

    Anyhoo, the only mods I have done to my boots so far is filed the forward lean plate similar to Barrows, filed it down a little as well as I like less highback, and punched the rivet out, removing the power strap.

    Touring wise, its way better. No question for me anyways. I did the same tour I always do, and I could tell I was less tired, and the walking just felt much more natural with a nice stride.

    Riding felt pretty good too, I was actually surprised. My first turn in steeper terrain I was a little shy initially to lean over and make my toeside turn as I am used to a more progressive feel instead of an immediate board reaction. But after a few more turns I was dialed and whooping it up. For reference I am only 140 lbs so they definitely could be a little softer. I am thinking of trying a few shell mods and maybe filing a bit more of the lean bar both ways. Overall however, I really like the setup and for now prefer it to my softboot setup for type of tours I am doing. I also find the transitions to be less fiddley as well not having to mess with straps. Having the bindings in the pack was no problem either, with the side benefit of less chance of them icing up when they are stowed away vs on your feet all day.

    If anyone has any new mods they are doing to their tlt6 I am all ears. How much difference does trimming the shell make on the flex of the boot? I may try using the tongues as well, but I don’t really want to fiddle with them.

    #797357
    Kahti Ryan
    48 Posts

    Have you seen the mods on the phantom Facebook page? Some good inspiration if you’re feeling brave!

    #797361
    KGN
    215 Posts

    No I havent. I will get on a friends facebook page and take a look Im not on it. Im feeling fairly brave (: That said I dont want to turn the boots into floppy noodles either. Im hoping Phantom will do an article about what they are modding lately.

    #797398
    summersgone
    814 Posts

    Yeah @kgn, I actually have used Phantom’s boot mods and highly recommend it. I’ll be writing up a review here in the coming weeks. John is looking to sell kits for the boot modification. It is sweet.

    #797399
    KGN
    215 Posts

    Thanks @summersgone I saw something on their instagram about that, so Im looking forward to your thoughts on it. Are you able to mention any of the mods they are doing?

    #797406
    summersgone
    814 Posts

    I’m holding on my full write up until I do the mods myself (I’ve been on demos for 4 days now), and take some pictures to help, but here is snippet.

    1) There are approx. 7 1” diameter holes cut in the cuffs. 4 holes make up the inside, and 3 on the outside. This loosens the medial cuff rotation, allowing for a bit more flex in and out, as well as on forward lean progression
    2) The bottom buckle has been moved from the previous area on the top of the foot to the cuff hinge, with new hardware to remount it. This locks your foot back, eliminating all heel lift.
    3) Hinges – At the cuff connection, two slits approx. 1.5” are cut vertically down, with a hole at the bottom to remove any continuation of the cut later on. Also, he cut down a small piece of the inner boot near the cuff as well to loosen that up. This all helps with inner and outer medial flex, bringing closer to a softboot.
    4) Forward lean slot is also modified 1cm approx to allow for a more natural forward lean. This is fully a personal preference (some people remove a bit of forward lean too), but how he sent the demos to me are perfect.

    Pictures will help, I’m just not there yet. They do ride very well.

    #797408
    KGN
    215 Posts

    Thanks look forward to some pictures..

    Do the holes allow snow to enter the boot? Is the lean mod just what people have been doing(like Barrows) where you file the slot out more or is this a new mod? For me, I find the front to tail of board flex not too bad, its more the abruptness or lack of flex into my toeside/heelside thats a change. Its not bad at all, I actually liked it, but I could see how I would want more flex if I was riding tighter trees ect. Im not getting much heel slop, but I like that idea of moving the buckle.

    #797409
    summersgone
    814 Posts

    A lot of those thoughts are addressed when i write up my review. But short I have not experienced much from snow entering the boots, even with boot packing with my pant cuffs above my boot. The forward lean is standard what Barrows does yes. The holes actually give you a bit more flex inward and on toeside turns.

    #797430
    buell
    534 Posts

    Here are some photos and descriptions of the mods on a pair of Phantom demo boots I posted on BOL.

    Phantom boot mods

    As a fellow lightweight rider, I don’t expect you will end up with a floppy noodle TLT6.

    #797449
    summersgone
    814 Posts

    KGN, you got me fired up to finish my post. Disclaimer, I have yet to do the modifications myself, but will be doing it in the next couple weeks and will update that after. I have held off on doing my own post here until that time.

    http://jasonsoutdoors.blogspot.com/2016/12/phantom-modified-dynafit-tlt6-review.html

    #797450
    KGN
    215 Posts

    Thanks for the pics and look forward to the writeup as well from summersgone, and possibly the kit from phantom.

    I’m not too worried about the tlt6 becoming noodles, I just don’t want to make them so soft that I lose the side hill and split ski benefits. That said I’m sure most of the benefit is from the tech toe interface. In tour mode with top buckles completely open there was already a noticeable improvement in that regard, it doesn’t roll around and twist side to side like my soft boot setup.

    I don’t think I will trim my shell on the top of the cuffs as some do. I noticed you commented on that in your post. I’m not sold on that yet, as it seems it would be a better approach to add flex other ways. I feel like trimming wouldn’t soften the boot progressively , other than exposing more of the liner and getting some flex there. That said Barrows does this and he has way more time on the boot then me so maybe he will comment.

    #797451
    KGN
    215 Posts

    Oops looks like we posted at the same time and your first impressions are up.

    Thanks for doing that, gives me a few things to try, maybe I will wait and see whats in their kit. Im not sure about changing the lower cuff, I am wondering with the increase in my forward lean if that will cause any conflict with bottoming out on the buckle? I guess I could always switch it back. Regarding cold toes,I find my tlt6s fairly warm, but I am sized up a bit so I can wiggle my toes pretty easily. To be honest my shells are probably a bit too big, at least for a ski boot fitting, but I havent got any blisters and my heel seems to stay put, and they are comfy. I bought them used so I am stuck with them how they are. Well see after the liner packs out if I have to change anything like getting a higher volume liner.

    #797599
    KGN
    215 Posts

    So had a few more tours on this setup. Haven’t done any more mods to the boots yet. To be honest I could be very happy with them how they are right now. Really liking both the touring and the riding. I will mod them a bit more to get a tiny bit more flex in certain areas, but I’m pretty happy. I’m used to the increased response and like it now.

    #798461
    WhitePine
    502 Posts

    I’ve been pondering for a while about how to add some lateral flex to the boots. I didn’t like some of the hardboot pioneers’ method here such as cutting away the top of the cuff because although it would allow my leg more range of motion, I thought the top of the cuff would be more likely to dig into the side of my leg. So I was thinking about was to do this without shortening the cuff. One way was to remove material from the cuff. I’d been wanting to do something similar to what is described here:

    http://www.phantomsnow.com/shop/parts-accessories/boot-mod-kit/other-possible-mods

    But I didn’t want to be the guinea pig in case the torment was too much for the boots to handle. I really like how they used a large size hole bit to reduce the propensity for crack propagation when stressed. I’m likely going to attempt the large holes this week. I’m on TLT5s but they are very similar. I’ll report back what happens. No undoing this one.

    #798538
    WhitePine
    502 Posts

    @summersgone – I was getting already to do some cutting and I started reading your review of your demo boots. Can you confirm something for me? I was reading on Phantom’s site about the 7 holes and they recommend 7-1.25″. Were you guesstimating in your review that they were 1″? Honestly it doesn’t matter a ton but being a taller guy, what works for smalls may not work for me.

    #798838
    WhitePine
    502 Posts

    Well I did the deed and modified my TLT5/6 frankenboots. And I must say that I am a believer. These boots felt amazing on the down hill very similar to my soft boots. The harshness of the ride has really been reduced. With some tradeoffs. The lateral flex is about perfect for me. But only on the down. On the uphill, I definitely noticed a reduction in stiffness when holding an edge on treversing hard snow. Where I used to be able to keep my legs upright, now I have to lean into the hill more to hold that edge similar to the soft boot/bindings but not nearly as bad. Granted this is from a sample size of 1 outing and the snow was very slippery today. I did a bit of back sliding. Anyway, here are some pictures cause everybody like pictures. I’ll probably post about all the mods I’ve done somewhere as well.

    #799573
    KGN
    215 Posts

    Another quick follow up..

    Had some more days on these things. I have decided to just leave them mostly the way they are, just the forward lean mod and took the pow strap off, removed tongue. I also changed the liners out for a better fit with an Intuition Pro Tour Liner in a medium volume size. I feel like that liner softened them up as well. Boot seems perfect to me. I rode through trees and some windblown crap the other day and just loved the boots. The thing I was nervous of, especially as a light rider, was the boots being too responsive. But doesn’t seem to be the case, and its an addictive feeling the extra power you get. I still may fiddle to get a bit more lean on my toeside, thats about it. I noticed when I was on the stiff windslabs touring (low angle) I didnt feel as tired in my feet due to the better stiffer interface touring. So that was nice. I like the idea of not modding them too much as I could still sell them to a skier down the road. That said, I don’t think I will be selling these things unless the fit doesn’t work out after a while. So far they are as comfy as any softboot. Transition wise, I also like not fiddling with straps, and I enjoy quickly clipping into tour mode on the flats. Havent had much chance to test if they “ski” any better really, I think that will always just suck a bit due to the splits design.

    I would love to try a fully modded boot with Phantoms setup but for now I cant justify changing it. I still haven’t rode groomers with this setup and I could see wanting those mods for that. The other day I rode Whistler with a friend and I just used my split and put the softboots back on, and basically it felt completely fine switching between the two. Felt right at home again.

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