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  • #781667
    TEX
    2486 Posts

    Thats whats happening to this Forum.

    Its sad, I just came from an event that wouldnt be possible without this forum, but at that event everyone had the same thing to say

    You can no longer paste an entire trip report. The text will cause your computer to start running so slow you will loose everything trying to submit
    Last trip repot I posted I had to log off and back in after two pics. I cant even finish my bitch because its hanging up my PC

    I think its from running too much script. all the motion in the adds take the bandwith and you just cant post

    This was a great community but people are leaving

    The

    #781668
    TEX
    2486 Posts

    yeah, had to start again

    The biggest issue was you couldnt log in at all for 2-3 weeks.

    I hope to see this site still here next year

    #781675
    vapor
    350 Posts

    A shame, hopefully this gets fixedin the off season.

    #781704
    b0ardski
    249 Posts

    I tried several times to post a scarpa – venture review apparently w/out access last week.
    was lamenting the “your buddies garage” feel and simplicity of the old forum just this morning
    as well as some old DIY threads I kept bookmarked

    #781711
    HansGLudwig
    601 Posts

    @tex – I feel bad about your lost work. I hope we can sort this out.
    @b0ardski – I read most of your Odin/Pegasus topic on the recent activity page ( http://splitboard.com/activity-2/ ) but I —like you— can’t read it as a thread. I have had a few posts which disappeared into the ether too. I can see them in my list of activity but not in the sub forum page.
    FWIW the same thing happened to me on the old site too. You could see my post if you clicked on my profile but not on the subforum.

    I’ve never had a problem with composing a post in a word processor then copy/pasting it. I don’t trust web-based applications for composition (unless it autosaves every 30 seconds or something).
    To insert pics, I keep ” [ img ] xxxxx [ /img ] ” handy in my word processor (without the six spaces between brackets and letters) for copy/pasting; all I have to do is replace the “xxxxx” with the url of the pic and it’s good to go. It’s the same way I did it in the old forum too.

    As far as lost topics. . .
    I have half a dozen bookmarks with the old “viewtopic”-type URLs. I’ve found I can access most of them by taking the title and reworking a new URL. “viewtopic” becomes “topic/” all the random numbers and letters become the title where spaces and punctuation have been replaced with dashes.
    For example, my old bookmark on @buell‘s topic entitled “New Whippet Mod” . . .
    http://splitboard.com/talk/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=9041&p=68482&hilit=whippet+mod#p68482
    . . . becomes http://splitboard.com/talk/topic/new-whippet-mod/
    “viewtopic” has been replaced with “topic/” followed by the title where dashes have replaced spaces.

    Another tool to find old threads is to insert “site:splitboard.com” into DuckDuckGo searches (or Google or whatever). That limits the search to only hits in the SB.com domain. Most (but not all) engines find result URLs in the new, hyphenated format. It’s only a matter of time before the engine make another crawl and refresh their caches to give us usable results.

    I hope that helps (but I could also see how that would make it worse if that’s exactly what you did).

    Be sure to bookmark Splitboard.com's Recent Activity page...
    http://splitboard.com/activity-2/

    #781712
    HansGLudwig
    601 Posts

    The URL strategy works with even more complex titles too.
    “TRIP REPORT: MT. WATERMAN | 04.17.2005 | W / PICTURES” becomes much simpler http://splitboard.com/talk/topic/trip-report-Mt-Waterman-04-17-2005-w-pictures/

    The pics are gone, but I think that’s more likely b/c @ravenousllama moved or deleted them off his skisocal.org host.

    This is all the same shit we did to get by during the “Splitboardlife” era!

    Be sure to bookmark Splitboard.com's Recent Activity page...
    http://splitboard.com/activity-2/

    #781713
    summersgone
    817 Posts

    Me and Tex had a good conversation around this. I agree with everything he said. There has been a lot of “oh do this to get around x”, and personally, it shouldn’t be that hard. I had bookmarked a lot of old trip reports, mostly for the pictures, and they are now gone, or broken. It’s a PITA to post a trip report here, and I used to do a few a year, and haven’t at all. I’m actually dreading putting up another. Either way, it should be EASY, not a work around. It is a bummer, I’ve met some of my best friends through this forum, and organized splitfests through it, but with the way the forum is now, I just don’t know if I can catch on to it.

    Also, if snowsavage is having an issue posting a trip report, GET IT FIGURED OUT! That dude inspires the most stoke of anyone. Having 3 friggen threads for one trip report is crazy.

    #781714
    TEX
    2486 Posts

    That’s just WAY to complicated. And I’m voicing many old members frustrations. Why not go just like TGR? Just insert photo[\IMG]. And be done with it? Most of us visit other sites and. This. One has a major pain in the ass
    I know this site takes time and money to keep up but it also needs content and photos.
    The new upgrade probably cost money and a lot of work but it is not an ” upgrade”

    And what I meant about hard work is the last ten years not my current posts.

    #781715
    Taylor
    792 Posts

    I generally agree. As I know others are, I am incredibly grateful for all the work that Chris and now Colin have put into this site over the years, including their efforts to improve the site. Many friendships and tech advances wouldn’t be today but for SB.com – which is extremely valuable. While I’ll still do my best to post worthwhile content, it worries me to see use declining (apparently) and people unable to post trip reports or frustration with posting or navigation. My sense is that there’s a lot less quality content coming from users now. Insofar as the new format deters use, it will ultimately come at the cost of the community. Again, not a knock on anyone, but some honest observations.

    @sun_rocket

    #781722
    HansGLudwig
    601 Posts

    Gentlemen, I really understand your frustration. This is new for everyone.
    @summersgone It’s like driving a new car; everything is still there, you just do it differently. The parking brake is no longer with your left leg, it’s with your right arm. These aren’t get-arounds. This is how you do it now.

    Just insert photo[\IMG]

    @tex – You just described exactly what I poorly described before. Open bracket + “IMG” + end bracket + photo URL + open bracket + “/IMG” + end bracket. It’s the same thing. I don’t know what’s not to get. I saw you type nearly the same thing in the activity page.

    RE: 3 threads for one TR – Snowsavage has over 115, high-res pictures which are click-popout and zoomable o_0 … Let us revel in that achievement. Remember in the old forum, we literally could not see one photo that large because the engine could not fit them onto the screen. He created a masterpiece in a medium which didn’t exist five months ago. With all that code, is anyone surprised something went wrong the first time?

    RE: Lost work – @tex – I hear you. I was worried about loosing the trove of wonder built here by users over the last 10 years. I told Chris before the conversion, that’s where the real value of this forum lies; watching the development of the sport go from Frankenboots to Karakorem Prime SL’s. Watching the Phantom bindings go from idea to proto to production is one of the coolest things I’ve ever seen.
    How have you searched for your favorite, bookmarked threads? The magnifying glass in the upper right is worth exactly bupkis (which is only slightly less valuable than the old search function).
    I’ve been fairly successful at finding my old bookmarked threads and would like to find a few for you, then show you how I did that. If you could give me an exact title —that works the best— but authors and replies with key-words are useful too.
    9 times out to 10, in my experience, when pics in old 10-year old threads fail to post, it’s not because of SB.com; rather the URL is now bum. Sometime in the intervening 10 years, somebody deleted or moved the pic on the host site (or the host site went under); rendering the SB.com’s pic-link useless. But it would have been useless before the conversion as well.

    Lastly, I’d like to point out how much posting videos has improved. Remember the Byzantine rules about what part of YouTube URL to insert after you clicked not the YouTube button… which were different from Vimeo and Google-Video URL parts? Today it’s literally copy/paste. We can even embed Facebook vids as @summersgone proved.

    p.s. Good points @taylor. That’s all our fear.

    Be sure to bookmark Splitboard.com's Recent Activity page...
    http://splitboard.com/activity-2/

    #781723
    Taylor
    792 Posts

    That’s how it slowly dies. Quote me.

    @sun_rocket

    #781741
    summersgone
    817 Posts

    @tex, I just put up a trip report, and it wasn’t bad! I just did it all in notepad, then copied and pasted all the stuff, and used picture links using this link for guidance:
    http://www.bbcode.org/examples/?id=10

    I think its just the traffic that’s bringing it down. Let’s just hope its due to a poor season. Next year will be full force.

    I do think the adds on the right hand side though are still too large. 1/2 the width please!

    #781755
    shredgnar
    643 Posts

    It’s a culmination of many things that has caused site traffic to drop. I could list them, but we all know what they are. I used to go through phases of checking in every day, to every week. Lately, I feel like this place isn’t even on my list unless I’m REALLY bored.

    It’s a shame, and I’d hate to see what was once a awesome resource for our community go away. I found out about split boarding from this place in ’05 and have been doing it ever since, with a ton of help from this site. I don’t post TR’s ever, but it’s just not my thing, I rarely read them either. I’m more here for the gear reviews and such.

    It’s ironic that just as Splitboarding is starting to be more mainstream, the site that got so many people into our sport starts dying off.

    #781782
    summersgone
    817 Posts

    testing reply’s from work computer. Had an issue posting a TR.

    #781810
    Cbalke
    237 Posts

    What does everyone think the solution is?

    What is the root cause of declining activity? Is the problem the new forum format? Are more people using social media and not interested in taking time to post here?

    While I agree that the new format is not perfect and is lacking in areas (drill down searches, etc.), there are things that are improvements. Several of those things Hans listed above such as the ease of inserting video’s, standard formatting of images, and the ability at some point to upload and store images (which would prevent old threads from dying.)

    I have not experienced the site locking up (other than when there was software issues and no one could get in) so I can not speak to that. I know a few members have experienced this. Is this a common problem with everyone?

    As for @snowsavage ‘s TR, that is probably one of the coolest TR’s I’ve seen. I can only dream of embarking on a trip like that. However, I believe even the previous forum would have had issues with the length and number of images in that TR. I believe the current forum could have allowed it to be posted under 1 topic but it would have taken several posts to make it happen.

    #781862
    shredgnar
    643 Posts

    For a start, the grey color of the typeface makes me unable to read more than a few sentences without some serious effort. The pop up adds that come up if your mouse hovers over them and don’t go away, also irritating. The loss of a “new posts” function made the forum more difficult to browse. It’s the little things that add up. The easier the forums is to use, the more people will return. I’m not a TR guy, but many people are, and making that more difficult doesn’t help either.

    I also think we lost a lot of users during the changeover when everyone had to reregister. I don’t know the numbers, but could we look back at the trends before the site switch? I would guess that users were trending upwards, not down as they seem to be now.

    Ease of use should be the primary consideration if you want to keep this thing together. All the bells and whistles in the world won’t get you anywhere if you don’t have a solid foundation. Kinda like split boarding, all the fancy gear in the world won’t walk uphill for you.

    #781864
    summersgone
    817 Posts

    @cbalke, its the little annoyances. First, changing over to a new format is a bit annoying to relearn. Also, people’s login’s didn’t work, and a lot of people just say “fuck it” and didn’t get it renewed. The organization of the forum changed, which has been fixed, but that sucked. The new posts pissed a lot of people off (which has been resolved somehow, I personally didn’t use it). The flow of the window isn’t that good, lot of white space that would help it flow if you could extend it wider. Only half the width page is viewable! Also, little things like “Hey, this post didn’t work” is annoying! I thought I had got a grasp on trip reports and pop out images, and now I can’t post a trip report. Its just pretty frustrating in general to use. Another thing that was nice was “views” on a post. Knowing how much it is viewed helps know if it is actually a good post or not.

    Also, compounded with a poor winter, the mainstream of splitboarding, and facebook, instagram, etc has lead to more decline if I was to guess.

    The site really needs to be easy to use it. I personally don’t feel WE got anything out of the new format, except more pain. Few ideas: when putting in a picture, make a check box for “pop out enabled”, would be cool. 2) Extend the width of viewable screen wider. 3) Add in views to topics 4) stop posting content in the main site on the forum, leave that to us.

    #781865
    TEX
    2486 Posts

    for me, on two computers both at home and at work, I type any response in the box and it starts out fine. Around the second or third line it starts a serious lag time between key stroke and the actual letter showing up on the dialog box.

    @tex – You just described exactly what I poorly described before. Open bracket + “IMG” + end bracket + photo URL + open bracket + “/IMG” + end bracket. It’s the same thing. I don’t know what’s not to get. I saw you type nearly the same thing in the activity page.

    Glad you mentioned that I typed “IMG”photourl”IMG”
    but the front just disappered. it was typed but not displayed THATS WHATS NOT TO GET Get it?

    and now its starting to really slow down its like I have sticky keys on my keyboard

    Most of us do post pics on other forums. So, we do know how its supposed to work.

    #781892
    Jefe009
    675 Posts

    @cbalke, couple of things. I’ve been on here since 2011, and this forum site is responsible for me getting into splitting and meeting everyone, and basically was a key factor in shaping my life to where it is now. Crazy to think about. The ability to organize splitfests, read up on gear insights, exchange knowledge with other splitters, learn about other splitfests, get beta on routes, meet splitters all over the world, what a resource.

    The people, and the knowledge they shared, that was the real value of the forum in my mind. But it only has to be frustrating once or twice, and then everyone stops coming to the forum.

    I don’t agree that all of us just need to learn the new workarounds and we’ll all be happy. The new format sucks, in so many different ways. The big ads. Something with the ads causes my browser to lag. Once the browser hangs, I lose everything I was just typing. I’ve just given up contributing, and I was a pretty regular commentator before the switchover.

    WTF, summersgone had to create everything in Notepad and paste it over? Why am I typing this in a gmail, then copying and pasting it over? Because the forum doesn’t work well, even for the most basic functions for which it was designed. I suspect it’s something with the ads.

    Really, I so appreciate what the forum has given me and my crew over the years, but this new format makes it unusable in my mind. I hope you and Chris find value in what we are all saying.

    www.splitlife.net

    #781919
    summersgone
    817 Posts

    So my trip report I think the issue was the space as well. I had one spot that I needed to remove a space, but it was good after I removed it.

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