Forums Splitboards Jones Solution, any lingering quality issues?
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  • #671229
    BGnight
    1382 Posts

    I just received my 2015 Jones Carbon Solution that I bought off Russman lightly used. He was telling me all the boards are made in Switzerland now. This board is light. Doing a hand weighing test with my old 161 solution the regular solution feels like a tank. And you can tell they softened the flex just a bit from the 2014 Carbon and added a touch more camber. Most Solutions/Flagships didn’t have very pronounced camber and depending on the quality some didn’t have any. I’ve seen multiple differences in camber across the same line of boards from their Tunisian products. But this one you can tell is well built and the camber is very noticeable. Supposedly it’s 500 grams lighter than the 2014 Carbon. Russell says it weighs 6lbs 4oz making it one of the lighter boards around. I can’t wait to try it out with my new Karakoram Carbon Primes coming this fall!!! The karakoram tip and tail clips suck (a minor gripe). The tip clip on this board is tight but that’s because there’s too much plastic and you have to basically push it together until the plastic wears off as cometogether was explaining. Better than being loose for sure but I’ve never seen any karakoram tip clips that have a tight snappy feel as the voiles do. Fix that shit! I would be concerned about snapping this board if I weighed 200+ lbs but at 140 lbs I’m certainly not worried about it 😀

    #780756
    buell
    534 Posts

    I picked up a 14/15 158 Solution to try this year. I got a couple of days on it before I realized that the factory had taken way too much metal out of the rail on one side of the tail. It only had half of the metal that it should of had in that location. The rest of the board had the standard width rail.

    As I precaution, I had purchased it from REI so I was able to returned it hassle free. The guys at REI just shook their heads and said ‘Jones’. They apparently deal with a lot of returns of Jones boards unfortunately.

    I will probably try again as I liked how the board rode for my 140 pounds (I do not want or need a beefy board) and I really liked the light weight (somewhere just under 6 1/2 pounds).

    #780758
    Taylor
    792 Posts

    That’s too bad, and kind of surprising. I would have thought that Jones would have these sorts of QC problems under control by now. It’s a really poor reflection on whoever builds those boards to (1) have those problems in production in the first place, and worse, (2) not catch it going out the door.

    @sun_rocket

    #780763

    Anyone else experience very easy base denting on one of their carbon jones baords??? Im on this yrs ultracraft and have several long base dents…They were from slightly and at low speeds pinging off and riding over rocks and logs. Ive never had a board dent in the base so easily. Kind of makes me wonder if it will self destruct come spring when things come into condition??

    #780798
    friday
    4 Posts

    I’ve already had 3 core shots on my 161 carbon Solution in half a season (approx. 35 days). For comparison, I rode my Storm for almost three seasons (about 80 days a season) without a single core shot. I don’t expect the Solution to last more than 2 seasons. Otherwise, the build quality is quite good.

    #781094
    Matt74
    9 Posts

    Hey,

    So I have a friend who bought this years 14/15 jones soloution. He rode it for one day and managed to somehow de-laminate the board where his bindings attach(karakorams). He then took it to the local shop to get the jones rep to inspect it and they said it wasn’t a quality issue. He had some scratches on the edges where it had delaminated. I will get him to take some pictures for me.
    So it looks like he spent a load of money on a new split to ride it for 1 day.

    My 13/14 solution has lost abit of the metal edge near the tail i just epoxied it. Good to go for now.
    12/13 solution delaminated toward the tail. (this thing looks like a piece of crap) Very poorly made. It’s still used, I lend it to friends, just have to super glue it after every day out. Such a shame to throw it away it still kinda works.
    Anyone tried bolting some metal down on a delaminated board to keep it together?
    It seems such a waste of an otherwise good board.

    I still love jonesboards but I wish they would make a really rugged model. I’m lucky to get a season out of one.

    #781375
    Scooby2
    612 Posts

    I reckon base denting is just the price for lightweight boards. If you have a paulownia or balsa core with the new ultrathin carbon laminates (see Textreme), the board is still strong in flex (stretching the carbon fiber) but it loses alot of the resistance to the base being pushed in. Ventures are so solid because they use a lot of hardwoods like ash, maybe maple. this is essentially flooring material and really resistant to impact. Also a board with 19-22 ounce mat of fiberglass smuashed flat with a larger amount of resin offers a lot more resitance to impacts. Poplar and aspen are sort of a middle ground. Fiberglass, while heavy, takes impacts better than the same weight of carbon fabric.

    The only solution that comes to mind would be laminating a thick veneer, like 2-3mm of maple, hickory or ash under a paulownia or balsa core, but you guessed it too labor expensive for production boards and probably ending up weighing about like a poplar board when done custom. Let’s see how long it takes before it is the revolutionary technique (from surfboard industry) . . .

    FWIW I dont worry too much about a rock tearing into the composite or not, you still need to fix the ptex anyway to keep it fast. That said I have cracked a Kemper and Burton core lengthwise on jagged quartzite back in the day, that’s no good

    #781382
    Scooby2
    612 Posts

    Matt74, was it just the top side laminates that delammed on your friends Jones board? If so, it’s not that hard to sand through it to the core and replace that area with an overlapping laminate. I’d do I for 175 plus Return shipping or talk him through it. He needs some triaxial glass, some snowboard resin (about $45 shipped) a random orbit sander, a bunch of clamps and a method to heat it all up to 150-175 degrees (this could be done with a cardboard box and a good variable heat gun 80-$100, less used of course) and a meat thermometer.

    #781385
    buell
    534 Posts

    I reckon base denting is just the price for lightweight boards. If you have a paulownia or balsa core with the new ultrathin carbon laminates (see Textreme), the board is still strong in flex (stretching the carbon fiber) but it loses alot of the resistance to the base being pushed in. Ventures are so solid because they use a lot of hardwoods like ash, maybe maple. this is essentially flooring material and really resistant to impact. Also a board with 19-22 ounce mat of fiberglass smuashed flat with a larger amount of resin offers a lot more resitance to impacts. Poplar and aspen are sort of a middle ground. Fiberglass, while heavy, takes impacts better than the same weight of carbon fabric.

    The only solution that comes to mind would be laminating a thick veneer, like 2-3mm of maple, hickory or ash under a paulownia or balsa core, but you guessed it too labor expensive for production boards and probably ending up weighing about like a poplar board when done custom. Let’s see how long it takes before it is the revolutionary technique (from surfboard industry) . . .

    FWIW I dont worry too much about a rock tearing into the composite or not, you still need to fix the ptex anyway to keep it fast. That said I have cracked a Kemper and Burton core lengthwise on jagged quartzite back in the day, that’s no good

    Thanks for running through that Scooby. It will be interesting to watch how lightweight boards from different manufacturers hold up longer term.

    I just got a new 14/15 Solution for myself and one for Rebecca now that they have gone on sale. Both look really good and we have not found any defects yet.

    I also brought in a new G3 Blacksheep X3 to look at. One interesting difference between the boards is that the Solution rails have only about 75% as much width as the G3 rails.

    #781388
    dishwasher-dave
    460 Posts

    I’ve noticed a huge difference in edge width between splits and touring skis (BDs carbon line specifically). Obviously part of the trade off between lightweight and durability but worth it for me.

    #781391
    buell
    534 Posts

    I am also a fan of the thinner rails on a splitboard for weight savings. They are not that thin (unless it is ground off like my first Jones this season). The G3s are quite thick. I looked at some of my other boards (solid and split) and half have the Jones rail width and half have the G3 rail width.

    #781725
    Matt74
    9 Posts

    Hey scooby2,

    Much appreciated for the posts sorry it took so long to reply but I don’t seem to get email updates to posts.

    I will find out if my mate managed to get his replaced back in the uk and a picture of the damage. Also the info about the possibility of repair.

    Guess i’ll have to stick to constantly gluing boards back together then. Can’t be bothered with having a heavy ass board anymore.

    #784602
    atoine
    5 Posts

    +1 quality issue here.

    Bought a new Jones Explorer from a local shop, then I realized the center cut is not straight at all. I don’t want to cut my skins using these curvy edges, so i will bring it back to the shop this week.

    Some pictures:
    https://goo.gl/photos/4NscBwmpqLYwkhPGA

    Disappointing to say the least…

    #784607
    bcall8
    125 Posts

    That center line is not suppose to be straight. They call it inner magnetraction. It’s suppose to give you better side hill grip when climbing up.

    #784608
    bcall8
    125 Posts

    I may be mistaken on my previous comment. I thought that jones did an inner and outer magnetractionbut I didn’t see it on their website. The shop should know or an email to jones. I hope it’s on purpose otherwise that’s bad on them.

    #784609
    atoine
    5 Posts

    Well, i just learned something new today.
    So far, no complain about my Jones. It’s got m-a-g-n-e-t-r-a-c-t-i-o-n on it.

    Cheers!

    #784611
    bcall8
    125 Posts

    From the jones website under the solution splitboard description. “Inner and outer edge mellow Magne-Traction locks in your edges while skinning or shredding”……. I think you are good

    #786209
    JamieD
    32 Posts

    FWIW..I have last years Flagship and Carbon solution, we did’nt get enough snow for me to want to take the solution out, but rode the heck out of the flagship.. after 50 days on the flagship I have one core shot *I did actually ride over a volcanic rock outcrop at ‘Wood’. The nose is a little beat up..again low tide..other then that I am not seeing the quality issues spoken about here. that said I did have a 2012/2013 Solution and sold it off pretty quickly..It rode well, but no pop. It rode more like a Mtn Bike at the pump track etc.

    #786432
    ejorddny
    16 Posts

    I picked up a Hovercraft Split at the end of last season, just mounted it up and took it for a test ride at the resort yesterday (really liking the new Spark Arc setup!). When I got home and took everything apart, I noticed the inside edge sidewall is absorbing moisture, doesn’t seem to be sealed in any way. That can’t be good for the core.

    #786796
    ejorddny
    16 Posts

    Just to reply to my previous note, I reached out to Jones about the moisture issues, and they replied “The bamboo might look wet but unless it is delaming it is not an issue. If the board starts coming apart we will definitely warranty.”
    Can’t ask for more than that!

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