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  • #645410
    PowderHooker
    36 Posts

    Not that i know a lot about wood cores,but Voile makes a point about their wood cores not having finger joints. I think i would be a little bummed if i saw one glaring at me under the topcoat.

    That said they might be great boards for all i know.

    #645411
    Hp_Sauce
    35 Posts

    Just in case anyone is curious for an update on the crooked top picture – I have been in contact with Jones & Nidecker and they have generously offered a discount. Which is fine with me, since it’s kind of irritating to look at, but it’s not going to break the way the board rides (and it does not sound like there are any replacements in the country anyway).

    Also, some people mentioned the finger joints. Personnel, unless we start seeing huge problems with boards breaking at the finger joints, I really do not feel too concerned about them because:
    a) My Mountain Twin from last year has visible finger joints and it is still holding together just fine so far.
    b) I bet a number of people are riding boards with finger joints in them (without knowing it) and without having any problems… Just that many of the other manufacturer are covering their cores up.
    c) I have seen some manufactured / engineered wood stand up to an awful lot of bending, twisting and abuse before it even thought about breaking. Remember, even if 1 finger joint is weak, it still has 5 or 6 or 8 strong neighbors around it… but a thin piece of solid wood with a weak spot only has itself to rely on.

    Anyway, the Voile pucks & bindings are still on back order, so I still have not actually been able to ride the thing! :banghead:
    (Not that there has actually been any fresh snow falling in the last 3 weeks anyway).

    -hps

    #645412
    barrows
    1490 Posts

    RE: Jones problems in general. Just speculation here, those with facts please weigh in. I believe that Jeremy Jones wants to bring a quality product to market, but that, as a new company owner, he is on a bit of a learning curve here. My understanding is that Nidecker has production facilities in both Switzerland and Tunisia, and my assumption would be that Nidecker makes its high end product in the Switzerland facility. My experience with Swiss made products is that the Swiss never make anything but the highest quality products, but the Tunisian facility may be operating at a lower standard. Perhaps Jeremy signed a contract with Nidecker, without knowing all the details of what he was going to get (Tunisian manufacturing vs. Swiss)?
    If anyone knows any details of this I would love to hear them.
    It is clear to me, that a wood core with many finger joints is not a high quality construction: will you see it in some other boards, yes, and I have, but you will not see this in something like a Venture-who builds their own cores. Something like these finger joints makes me worry about other details of the construction as well; if a company is using visually obvious compromises in construction details, what else might be going on?
    I hope that Jones will survive these early problems, and will grow into offering a high quality product, perhaps they will have to choose another manufacturer when their contract with Nidecker expires.

    #645413
    ehcarley
    411 Posts

    @boardinthepark wrote:

    if they ever do find it it seems as if it may likely have issues not really what i was looking to have happen for my first split hopefully this is not a bad oomen. hopefully it turns out as im sure there arent many other boards my prior skins i got shipped to me will fit on as they are only 159s…

    fingers are crossed

    I’m pretty sure your skins should work just fine with any other board you might end up with. I have a 158 venture and the skins are definitely not 158 or likely even 150. I still don’t have any problems with getting up anything my buddies are skinning. With the 158 skins, you’ll probably end up trimming some off the ends. Don’t stress it. I don’t think I know any splitters that actually have tip to tail skin coverage and we all do fine. If I were you, I’d put tail clips on those babies and be happy as hell to have the option.

    #645414
    Rhag
    5 Posts

    @barrows wrote:

    RE: Jones problems in general. Just speculation here, those with facts please weigh in. I believe that Jeremy Jones wants to bring a quality product to market, but that, as a new company owner, he is on a bit of a learning curve here. My understanding is that Nidecker has production facilities in both Switzerland and Tunisia, and my assumption would be that Nidecker makes its high end product in the Switzerland facility. My experience with Swiss made products is that the Swiss never make anything but the highest quality products, but the Tunisian facility may be operating at a lower standard. Perhaps Jeremy signed a contract with Nidecker, without knowing all the details of what he was going to get (Tunisian manufacturing vs. Swiss)?
    If anyone knows any details of this I would love to hear them.
    It is clear to me, that a wood core with many finger joints is not a high quality construction: will you see it in some other boards, yes, and I have, but you will not see this in something like a Venture-who builds their own cores. Something like these finger joints makes me worry about other details of the construction as well; if a company is using visually obvious compromises in construction details, what else might be going on?
    I hope that Jones will survive these early problems, and will grow into offering a high quality product, perhaps they will have to choose another manufacturer when their contract with Nidecker expires.

    I seem to recall that Jeremy Jones said himself that the Nidecker facilities in Tunisia are more modern than the ones in Switzerland. I won’t say anything about the finger joints, since that’s outside my knowledge, but I can say that no company could manufacture snowboards in Switzerland and sell them for $400 (Hovercraft) in the US while still hoping to make a decent profit.

    Now this is just conjecture, but the Arab spring DID start in Tunisia and the country has been in a state of considerable upheaval this whole year with people demanding democracy. The local unstable political climate combined with the rising demand for Jones boards quite likely is enough to cause some serious shipping problems.

    I’m not sure if other members in Europe have had the same feeling but it seems to me that Jones has been supplying boards better to the US – crazy as it seems – than Europe this autumn. I had pre-ordered a split hovercraft in May and got told two weeks ago by the retailer that they didn’t think that they’d be getting my board at all this season (thanks for the integrity Blue Tomato). Last year I got my Flagship without any problems in early October from the same shop.

    Let’s hope that Jones and Nidecker get the production and logistics back on track because at least I have really liked their board so far.

    #645417
    acopafeel
    134 Posts

    Hovy Split came, as promised, last Friday.
    I have seen a number of issues with this split, posted on the internet: core probs, being shipped w/ rusty edges, gaps in metal edges, graphics, etc.

    MINE IS PERFECT!!! I spent about 2 hrs inspecting every bit of it and it is just beautiful.
    Not sure if the newest batch addressed these issues, or if I just got lucky.
    Either way – an absolutely beautiful board that I cant wait to get out on.

    My only real concern is the stability when in tour mode- the foot is very near the tail end of the board. The heel of my boot damn near hits the first of the rear foot inserts. I know this concern was brought up somewhere previously, and Jones said that it has been tried and tested. I guess if MTN Approach skis have enough surface area, then this should suffice. I will be a bit skeptical of this though, until I get a chance to get out on it this weekend.

    Regarding the finger joints on the board… I have a Solution as well and if I look at the bottom side of the board – in the middle of the “O” on the Jones graphic, I can see through to the wood core, which has finger joints too.
    I took a season-ending biff on this board last year, where I came from about 30ft to flat, and took it all on the tail. It wrecked me, but my board is just fine!! Its taken some serious abuse and is still one of my stiffer boards. Time will tell, I suppose.

    #645418
    stein
    174 Posts

    finger joints = environmentally friendly :thumpsup:

    quote Lib Tech

    http://business.transworld.net/81338/uncategorized/lib-tech-201213-snowboards-preview/

    Are you taking any steps to minimize your environmental impact? If so, what are some of these steps?

    We build all our own boards in our own factory and have been working to minimize our environmental impact for 30 years. Some of the basics that go on every day at Mervin are finger jointing to maximize wood core yields

    #645419
    Dose.
    12 Posts

    Looks like mine is somehow magically on it’s way. Got the email it shipped. Have to admit, kind of glad I was out of town and never dealt with the final cancellation of my backorder.

    #645420
    deeplikepow
    9 Posts

    I got a hover and flagship this week and they’re both stunning. happy customer.

    #645421
    shredgnar
    643 Posts

    Sounds like Jones got a huge shipment in recently. Boards starting to show up left and right. I have a new Solution on the way. :rock:

    #645422
    Dose.
    12 Posts

    Got my Hover split today. Looks great! Worth the wait.

    #645423
    dangraham
    51 Posts

    Got mine last week, has the offset graphic problem and was discounted, that issue does show poor quality control, but unless the deck fails it really doesn’t bother me. rides amazing, very happy I waited.

    #645424
    acopafeel
    134 Posts

    Finally was able to take my Hovy Split out for 3 days of 30″ fresh this past weekend. An unbelievable ride!

    Floats oh so well, with super-snappy turns. The most fun I’ve had out this year.

    :bow: :bow: :bow: HoverCraft

    #645425
    tiltedworld
    406 Posts

    I got to take my solid Hover60 out this weekend too – first impression is amazing ride. It was a powder day, well on the trails since off-piste is still low tide in Tahoe, but I didn’t get out till the afternoon due to a morning obligation. So I ended up riding in crud/chop all day with a few precarious fresh turns wherever I felt I could get away with it.

    Comparing it to my last powder board, a cambered Malolo62, the Hover60 was night and day. The rockered flex in the nose was great and the turn initiation was super smooth. The 9.5m sidecut felt so nice when I railed it on the edge. I set my stance at the factory setback and it was almost perfect right out of the box. I think I can sweeten the turn in a bit with a 1/4″ shift forward on the stance, but if not I will be more than happy with the factory setback.

    In chopped up powder and heavy crud, I’ve never felt more in control. The smaller taper, combined with the longer sidecut and rockered nose really shined compared to the Malolo. No more skipping the tail out due to overpressuring the nose! Oh and that STIFF tail, Ooo la la !!! Whenever you get thrown into the backseat or generally bounced around, it just puts you back in the driver’s seat and back in command. :rock:

    I can’t wait to ride it again in “real” powder conditions :headbang:

    I also got to ride my solid Flagship 58 the following day, riding packed powder with a few low tide powder stashes. Again, stellar nose flex profile and turn initiation. The blunted nose and tail feel nice w/swing weight in the air. The board has very similar dimensions (2mm narrower nose/tail) to my 6yo Option Signature but with 1/2 meter longer sidecut. Wow, the board hauls serious ass. Holds the carve at high speed without chatter or fighting to make tracking corrections.

    Only complaint thus far (other than the cosmetic topsheet finish) is that the tail could be a bit stiffer to get a bit more pop. Going to play with setback position a smidge just like on the Hovercraft next time to see if that helps. I think the sidecut could go longer like the Hover, but was markedly better than the Option at full chit. Overall a very nice ride :clap:

    #645426
    Hp_Sauce
    35 Posts

    The pucks and bindings arrived in early Jan and I finally got to ride my Hovercraft split it the conditions it was built for on Thu Jan 26th at Mt. Baker.

    It works as advertised. My friend’s legs were ready to drop by lunchtime, but my back leg was perfectly happy to ride through the day.

    You’ll still get bucked around in crud/chop, but it’s controllable. The magnatraction was tested a few weeks ago on some scratchy stuff at Grouse Mountain and it works well also!

    I plan to tweak the front binding back about an inch and I expect that to help it float even more!

    Definitely happy with it so far. The only thing I can’t do is make it go in a straight line when riding with only 1 foot strapped in… for some reason it wants to spin on me and I can’t stop it… but that is probably rider error… or maybe something to do with the taper.

    And yes, it is possible to ride it switch, as you can see if you fast forward to 1:39 in this video.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HjtfKVQBNU

    -hps

    #645427
    Ninjaphoto.se
    5 Posts

    @hp_sauce wrote:

    It works as advertised.

    Looks sweet man! On another note, are you eating snow at the end of the video?!! 😯 😀

    #645428
    Hp_Sauce
    35 Posts

    @Ninjaphoto.se wrote:

    @hp_sauce wrote:

    It works as advertised.

    Looks sweet man! On another note, are you eating snow at the end of the video?!! 😯 😀

    Guilty. Om nom nom!

    -hps

    #645429
    robbie
    1 Posts

    I have 2 seasons in Whistler on the solid Hovercraft in a 156 – I absolutely love it.
    Pretty much my go to board unless I feel like riding park all day.

    Wish I had it in a split! Actually I probably will next season 🙂

    #645430
    Alistayr
    1 Posts

    Hi just ordered a 156 Hovercraft split – what length of G3 skins are people using on it ? I have the mediums for my 161 board, can the mediums be adjusted for the 156 hovercraft?

    thanks in advance.

    #645431
    dangraham
    51 Posts

    I use voile skins with g3 tail clips on my hovercraft 56 and solution 64, when I got the hovercraft I had to take the clips off and trim the skins down to 145cm from the original 152 cm. the g3 site doesn’t seem to give the true length of their sizes, just recommended board sizes, but if you are close to the 140-145cm mark you should be fine with the adjustment available from the tail clips. Practice up on your downhill kick turns for the hovercraft as well if you find yourself having to break trail in steeper terrain from time to time, the nose dive bombs quick on uphills with the set back

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