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  • #670528
    barrows
    1490 Posts

    Jason: As far as I am concerned, a Method can be done with either the Lien or Melon grab, and still be a Method. I prefer the Lien grab position, as it allows a better body position in the air, with a nice arched back, and also allows for boning out the rear leg if one has enough air time. My archetype for good snowboarding Methods is CK (RIP), and he almost always grabbed them Lien.
    But hey, it is snowboarding, and, ultimately it is about personal perspective and style. It is certainly fine if one rider prefers to grab one way or another, and anyone who says a certain way is bad form is really only expressing their own personal opinion-this is why judging skateboarding or snowboarding can be so controversial. For example, I remember the rivalry between Chritian Hosoi and Tony Hawk. Personally, I dislike the way Tony Hawk skates, to me he has an awkward style which looks terrible, and I find Hosoi to be the opposite. I have seen many contest runs where I think Christian should have won easily, but the judges gave the win to Tony; apparently they were just counting how many times he spun around…
    But! My opinion does not mean that Tony Hawk is a bad skateboarder, I would never suggest that.
    What I love about sports like skateboarding and snowboarding is that are progressive, and individual, and that there are many different ways to do them. Unlike gymnastics, or figure skating, where the “right” way is almost totally defined, and there is not nearly as much room for personal expression or creativity. I really hope that our sport remains this way, and never gets to the point of having perfect definitions of the “right” way to do everything, that would be so stagnant and boring.

    #670529
    Jefe009
    675 Posts

    @barrows wrote:

    I really hope that our sport remains this way, and never gets to the point of having perfect definitions of the “right” way to do everything, that would be so stagnant and boring.

    You bring up a good point Barrows — except for racing, which is easy to judge, how can one ever truly judge a snowboard (or skateboard) contest based on tricks? Where style plays such a key role? The Christ vs. Hawk rivalry is probably the best-known example of this, at least by us crusty old dudes.

    I think the Dogtown documentary movie even addresses this — that skateboard contests were started as a way to add legitimacy in the eyes of a skeptical public to the ‘sport’ of skateboarding (how can it be a sport without winners and losers?) and of course to bring outside / non-skateboarding money and sponsors into the industry.

    Pretty interesting how Nike and Adidas now have snowboard teams and are recruiting some top riders… apparently there is still money to be made off the snowboard industry.

    I shudder to think about the types of contests that would go down to try and legitimize splitting. I have heard about splitters competing in some Rando races, but I can’t imagine they are winning…

    www.splitlife.net

    #670530
    saign
    330 Posts

    @barrows wrote:

    Jason: As far as I am concerned, a Method can be done with either the Lien or Melon grab, and still be a Method. I prefer the Lien grab position, as it allows a better body position in the air, with a nice arched back, and also allows for boning out the rear leg if one has enough air time. My archetype for good snowboarding Methods is CK (RIP), and he almost always grabbed them Lien.
    But hey, it is snowboarding, and, ultimately it is about personal perspective and style. It is certainly fine if one rider prefers to grab one way or another, and anyone who says a certain way is bad form is really only expressing their own personal opinion-this is why judging skateboarding or snowboarding can be so controversial. For example, I remember the rivalry between Chritian Hosoi and Tony Hawk. Personally, I dislike the way Tony Hawk skates, to me he has an awkward style which looks terrible, and I find Hosoi to be the opposite. I have seen many contest runs where I think Christian should have won easily, but the judges gave the win to Tony; apparently they were just counting how many times he spun around…
    But! My opinion does not mean that Tony Hawk is a bad skateboarder, I would never suggest that.
    What I love about sports like skateboarding and snowboarding is that are progressive, and individual, and that there are many different ways to do them. Unlike gymnastics, or figure skating, where the “right” way is almost totally defined, and there is not nearly as much room for personal expression or creativity. I really hope that our sport remains this way, and never gets to the point of having perfect definitions of the “right” way to do everything, that would be so stagnant and boring.

    I agree completely.

    P.S. Hardboot airs are weak… 😆

    #670531
    Powder_Rider
    498 Posts

    I saw this on ebay:

    UPS ASYMMETRICAL AIGNER CARVE SNOWBOARDING BOOTS / SIZE 8 WOMEN’S / SIZE 7 MEN’S

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=121194692260&ssPageName=ADME:B:WNARL:US:1123

    I do not know what the fascination is with leather soft-boots on this forum. Do softies give your wings or is it just a fetish??? :duel:

    As far as the stylish hardboot airs, I am not the go to guy on this, not being a freestyle oriented snowboarder, my airial maneuvers are limited to Methods, Frontside straight airs, and, seldomly, the half-cab drop in, and they are very occasional as well, being in Colorado it is the rare day in the backcountry where it is safe enough to risk the extra stress on the slope which landings often cause.

    I totally agree!!! I got no steez anyway!

    #670532
    PedroDelfuego
    758 Posts

    @802smuggler wrote:

    Thank you Pedro for grounding us. It’s been FAR to long since I’ve seen a monkey grabbing some ta ta’s around here.

    My pleasure! It always hard in October at sb.com; lots of stoke and not much snow!

    #670533
    Jason4
    443 Posts

    @barrows wrote:

    Jason: As far as I am concerned, a Method can be done with either the Lien or Melon grab, and still be a Method. I prefer the Lien grab position, as it allows a better body position in the air, with a nice arched back, and also allows for boning out the rear leg if one has enough air time. My archetype for good snowboarding Methods is CK (RIP), and he almost always grabbed them Lien.

    Hard to fault you for following CK’s lead. I hope we get a chance to make some turns together sometime. Let me know if you make it up to Baker ever.

    #670534
    russman
    689 Posts

    @aksltxlt wrote:

    This is what I like to see in a hardboot

    It just looks so natural (on a chick) ha ha

    THREAD WINNER GOES TO AKSLTXLT!

    :rock:

    #670535
    fustercluck
    668 Posts

    So glad daylight savings gave me an extra hour today to read through this thread. Solid gold! :disco:

    #670536
    christoph benells
    717 Posts

    you cant do that in hard boots!

    went up to the mountain and it was raining, so we jumped off shit instead of splitting.

    #notpostholing

    #670470
    mofoco
    94 Posts

    Photoshopped!

    #670537
    cometogether
    385 Posts

    yeah chris! looks like the camera man took that last shot right before you boned it out…… 😀

    Im getting closer to actually being ready to demo some hardboots, I will be sure to try and get a shot or three of me attempting a method or say a stale fish.. cant wait.

    what are those red strap looking things near your toes?

    #670538
    christoph benells
    717 Posts

    I run my plate bindings pretty loose for extra flex side to side. I get all paranoid about them popping off so I voile strap em down.

    #670539
    schwalbster
    321 Posts

    I gotta give props to Barrows since he brings up a good point that I’ve always (for some reason deeply) cared about
    @barrows wrote:

    To me, nothing going straight is an Indy, Indy’s require a pool,quarter pipe, or half pipe and a 180 degree turn in the air for re-entry.

    @barrows wrote:

    For clarity, a rear hand grab between the feet, whether tuck knee or not, going off a straight jump/drop, was referred to as a Frontside Straight Air back in the day. I always resist calling any straight air an Indy, as I would consider that disrespectful to the skaters the like of Duane Peters, who made the Indy a much more committing move than the standard backside air of the day, especially when performed in an environment like the original Combi Pool in Upland.

    And I would like to add that an Indy Air is and always has been and can ONLY be a BACKSIDE AIR, the term Indy grab should have never been brought into the picture! So anyone pointing out Indy grab on a straight air picture still doesn’t get it! Learn your roots people! Been growing up on video games? Since wiki is telling me this fact that I was previously unaware of: The term indy grab may also be misapplied to any aerial in which the rider grabs the toe side of his board with their trailing hand (as in snowboarding). This confusion is partly due to the name’s being applied to all such grabs in the Tony Hawk’s Pro Skater video game.

    On anything else than a backside rotation it is simple a frontside grab. :banghead: :banghead:

    It is a misunderstanding in snowboarding that never seems to die out!

    As well as misnaming tricks in general. It’s hilarious now watching the surfers (and more so the commentators) trying to figure it out all over again as they are taking to the air.

    After much research, experimentation and consideration, I have decided adulthood is not for me. Thank you for the opportunity.

    #670540
    fustercluck
    668 Posts

    Well, I’ll be damned. 20+ years of riding, and all those indy grabs weren’t even indy grabs. 😯

    Although now that I think about it, that’s just kinda the starter grab, and really doesn’t feel natural for me unless I’m spinning. Now don’t tell me that my mutes and melons aren’t really mutes and melons. Might have to go back to the food grabs….

    #670541
    schwalbster
    321 Posts

    Well fustercluck. They still felt good, didn’t they?

    I grew up a vert skater in the mid eighties and became a pipe rider in my early snowboard days. And I’m just a way too detail oriented fool who jumps at each opportunity discussing this. Because we probably all shouldn’t give a shit and just ride more and talk less and enjoy flying, whatever the damn grab is called.

    After much research, experimentation and consideration, I have decided adulthood is not for me. Thank you for the opportunity.

    #670542
    Zude
    367 Posts

    Just watched the “Bones Brigade” movie on netflix. < Definitely worth checking out. Always rode bikes myself, (skating was to hard) you can go further and faster. I would like to learn some stable air maneuvers though. I think i hit my head and rattled the bio-gimbles or something though.

    #670543
    SplitterX
    104 Posts

    I have been fortunate this season. John Keffler has let me demo a set of Phantoms to get feedback and see what i thought. Even if you’re a soft boot rider that thinks they would never want to ride this set up, i would think that anyone would be curious how the Phantom/TLT5’s ride. I would also think that any snowboarder around would be able to appreciate the Phantom design. The quality of craftsmanship, Johns design and all the features that come with this set up are amazing! I could go on and on about the advantages this set up offers. If anyone is interested, i could line those advantages out. Things like the walk mode, the ability to set the Phantoms up on a solid, factory splt or DIY, however many lbs of weight it saves over a conventional set up, how easy it is to switch between boards if you have a extra set of cleats, etc.


    Vail pipe on the Phantoms1-16-14 by travis young 424, on Flickr

    This shot was taken yesterday from my buddies IPhone ( i wish it was a clearer shot). My first time riding the Phantoms on a solid board and my 3rd run in the pipe this year. Style is what you make of it! After 28ish years of riding, i have been throwing these old school methods forever. Yes old school style, I am 41 years old and at least I can still get out of a 22′ pipe. I wanted to post this just to say that i think the Phantom/TLT5 set up is worthy of any kind of riding that i would want to do and that Airs w style on this set up are not limited at all. I know that this isnt really relevant to backcountry splitboarding, no halfpipes in the BC. Halfpipe riding is the ultimate freestyle to me. I want to keep my skills in the pipe. I think it translates to my overall riding style, BC or wherever.

    I have been riding my Burton soft set up with Ride intuition boots for resort riding and I also have a set of Spark R&D tesla afterburners to compare against. I can honestly say i am now a complete Phantom convert. There are certain quality’s to how the Phantoms ride that i now prefer to softy’s. I do think the Spark tesla’s are pretty much flawless, but like i said I now prefer the Phantoms in all conditions!

    The future will be a split specific TLT5 like boot. We need to have adjustable forward lean, adjustable lateral flex and my biggest complain would be the lack of a toe buckle. I feel like i need a toe buckle. I like to be able to put pressure on my toes when riding but release that pressure when i want. For a boot designed for skiing, the TLTs work really well for snowboarding. The future is bright!

    John Keffler is a really cool guy. He made these bindings because that’s what he envisioned himself riding with. The demand for this is going to grow as more riders see how the Phantoms perform. John is onto such a cool thing right now! Garage built, homegrown Colorado style. His Karma is going to take him to amazing places and to meet amazing people! I would say that John Keffler is now one of the Greatest Snowboard inventors in history with his Phantoms! They are truly a work of art. Cheers and the future of splitting and snowboarding is here

    Come together, and Keffler we have to go shred together soon!

    Travis

    This is what a rad quiver looks like!


    Phantom set ups by travis young 424, on Flickr

    Fast and smooth

    #670544
    summersgone
    820 Posts

    That’s radical, nice method, and nice quiver!

    Ditto what he said on Phantoms. They are kickass.

    #670545
    Zude
    367 Posts

    I bet they work well on a single board as well

    #670546
    HikeforTurns
    1113 Posts

    Yeah buddy. Phantoms are the real deal.

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