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  • #578210
    firstlight
    721 Posts

    coming soon!!

    Inspired by this

    Just ask, it’ll be a board in the 180-190cm range to start with

    Adam West

    www.firstlightsurfboards.com.au
    www.firstlightsnowboards.com.au
    www.splitfest.com.au
    www.snowsafety.com.au
    www.mrbc.com.au
    www.backcountryglobal.com
    www.alpinefirstaid.com.au

    #665636
    firstlight
    721 Posts

    Some specs on the two boards

    Top board SS1
    180cm
    side cut is 5400

    Bottom board SS2
    190cm
    side cut is 12750

    Its a bit like you said, similar to furberg but the rocker camber will be more like the Voile flat/camber/rocker option.

    Other models will come.
    Carbon fiber board will be Standard offering.

    The idea is a light strong board. You can see these are big boppers so they will only appeal to certain riders.
    Some boards are currently being tested in Japan now!

    Small production runs

    The other model being looked at is the Tailwalker

    168cm small cousin to the SS

    Std camber board
    Option for hybrid rocker
    Same layup, carbon fiber std.
    Pin tail design, might even have flyers!

    Core design under way for new materials and thickness requirements.

    Cheers

    Adam West

    www.firstlightsurfboards.com.au
    www.firstlightsnowboards.com.au
    www.splitfest.com.au
    www.snowsafety.com.au
    www.mrbc.com.au
    www.backcountryglobal.com
    www.alpinefirstaid.com.au

    #665637
    Taylor
    780 Posts

    Firstlight:

    Good idea for separate thread and thanks for this information. I think these are refreshing and exciting designs (just like your bindings). Good stuff happening down under.

    To clarify, that’s a 12.75 M radius on the second board? Do you have shovel, waist and tail width for it too? A schematic of the camber / rocker profile would be sweet too if you have it and aren’t worried about making your design ideas fully public.

    I may be interested in one of these depending on just-begun discussions with Chimera regarding a big dum dum (similar ideas to here).

    Per discussion from Whistlermaverick, Scooby2 and Barrows, of the second shape…

    Stubbing the shovel and tail: I agree that stubbing the shovel and tail a bit is desirable but, as likely will not surprise you, I would take the approach of extending the side-cut 5-8 cm fore and aft and then adjusting shovel and tail shape accordingly… Building on the effective real estate rather than reducing overall length.

    @sun_rocket

    #665638
    firstlight
    721 Posts

    Guys
    These will almost be supply to order style boards.
    We are a surfboard manufacturer too and all our surfboards are made to order.
    I’m not sure why the snowboard community hasn’t adopted this mindset.
    I think sometime people look at the design too much these days.

    With the surfboards side of the business we came from making boards by hand, laminating by hand and sanding by hand.
    When a customer returned a year later wanting another board exactly the same, it was almost impossible to reproduce.
    Since then we now have CNC shaping machines that cut boards in 10 mins.
    The finishing of the blank is still done by hand the the glassing and sanding is also but the raw shape can be reproduced a 1000 times over.
    This also gives the surfer the ability to say he wants the fins in different position, less volume in the rails or different bottom shape.
    The plan template is the same but you can play with these factors.
    The Surf industry now relates foam volume to board design. you can have a 6’6 board with the same foam volume as a 6’9 board.
    This allows the shaper to put buoyancy in the right spot of the board for the riders requirements.

    I will be doing the same methodology for the snowboard design.
    I think surface area is a factor that is miss used in this industry.
    You can the have a 162 with the same surface area as a 166, same float but different design.
    Same with rocker profiles, in a surf board the rocker effects the performance quite a bit. The term is sometimes called “pushing water” if the rocker is excessive. Again playing with rocker / camber will effect the amount of surface area the board has on the snow.
    This relates to the question about tail length and swallowtail vs pintail.

    The boards will be prototyped and tested and our preference in Australia is for camber boards for our “Firm conditions”
    The idea of a quiver of boards needs to be looked at too in the world of snowboarding, unless you ride the same conditions every day!
    We know here that the Australian boards wont work in Japan.
    Guys that ride 150 in oz would ride 168 in Japan.

    I hope this sheds some light on our Philosophy

    Cheers

    Adam West

    www.firstlightsurfboards.com.au
    www.firstlightsnowboards.com.au
    www.splitfest.com.au
    www.snowsafety.com.au
    www.mrbc.com.au
    www.backcountryglobal.com
    www.alpinefirstaid.com.au

    #665639
    keffler
    319 Posts

    Sweet looking boards Adam. I think there are a few small board manufactures that are making boards to order, but I bet you are on the extreme end. Pretty cool that you guys also make surf boards and how that has influenced your snow/splitboards.

    One reason I can see why more manufactures aren’t making boards to order might be because most people wouldn’t know how to really spec out a board. Myself being one of them. I mean, I get some of the general principles of what influences the ride, but to be honest, I don’t have the through put to dig down into all the details I would think would be needed to spec one out. I think for me, it would just be a case of being overwhelmed by all the choices. Not trying to discourage you because I think it’s really cool that you guys can do this, just giving you an outside opinion.

    #665635
    firstlight
    721 Posts

    @keffler wrote:

    One reason I can see why more manufactures aren’t making boards to order might be because most people wouldn’t know how to really spec out a board. Myself being one of them. I mean, I get some of the general principles of what influences the ride, but to be honest, I don’t have the through put to dig down into all the details I would think would be needed to spec one out. I think for me, it would just be a case of being overwhelmed by all the choices.

    Keffler
    This was the case in the surfboard industry years ago. Most guys brought “off the shelve”.
    As people grew more accustomed to their preference, they came in to ask for custom options.
    What we are doing is making boards that we want to ride. We can make this happen for you too!
    This then can then be done for the general public.
    I would give help to the customer but try not to influence their decision.
    Again these boards may be for those that know what they want but there is no standard shape “on the shelve” for them top buy.
    Those ordering may have more knowledge than we do and they can come up with their own design for us to make.

    We must realise that these industries were underground at the early stages and lots of sporting gear was made in backyards till the main stream jumped onboard.

    There are current example of this now with powsurfers and PLP boards in Europe being made by lovers of the sport.

    I love the passion and feedback so thanks for your input guys

    Cheers

    Adam West

    www.firstlightsurfboards.com.au
    www.firstlightsnowboards.com.au
    www.splitfest.com.au
    www.snowsafety.com.au
    www.mrbc.com.au
    www.backcountryglobal.com
    www.alpinefirstaid.com.au

    #665640
    whistlermaverick
    311 Posts

    @firstlight wrote:

    I think surface area is a factor that is miss used in this industry.
    You can the have a 162 with the same surface area as a 166, same float but different design.
    Same with rocker profiles, in a surf board the rocker effects the performance quite a bit. The term is sometimes called “pushing water” if the rocker is excessive. Again playing with rocker / camber will effect the amount of surface area the board has on the snow.
    This relates to the question about tail length and swallowtail vs pintail.

    ^
    ^
    ^
    ^
    YES

    @firstlight wrote:

    The boards will be prototyped and tested and our preference in Australia is for camber boards for our “Firm conditions”
    The idea of a quiver of boards needs to be looked at too in the world of snowboarding, unless you ride the same conditions every day!
    We know here that the Australian boards wont work in Japan.
    Guys that ride 150 in oz would ride 168 in Japan.

    I hope this sheds some light on our Philosophy

    I hope you get trips to Japan Adam, some of these shapes should never see hardpack

    @j.memay

    #665641
    Scooby2
    595 Posts

    more power to ya firstlight! Maybe you can be the one to start the trend of listing square cms of surface area for each board. maybe a good industry standard to set would be to measure from the tip to where the tail curve breaks upwards, then to also provide the whole base area tip to tail. That wasn’t a thread hijack was it?

    #665642
    Taylor
    780 Posts

    @scooby2 wrote:

    …Start the trend of listing square cms of surface area for each board. maybe a good industry standard to set would be to measure from the tip to where the tail curve breaks upwards, then to also provide the whole base area tip to tail.

    + 1

    Excellent idea.

    @sun_rocket

    #665643
    Wasatch_Don
    101 Posts

    Hi Adam,

    Can you talk about how you plan to use carbon in your boards? Is it a wood core with carbon on top instead of glass or are you running carbon all the way through? I’m looking for a lightweight powder board for next year.

    Don

    #665644
    firstlight
    721 Posts

    Wasatch_Don
    I will be using carbon instead of triax glass for the prototypes. Then we will be playing around with laminating different woods for the cores and maybe some synthetic product in there too!
    I buy materials from the same place as boat building and surf industry guys and there are chemical nerds that help me out with resign types and wacky composites. They tell me there are some product that might suit the boards. hopefully the cores should be super light and strong.
    I am friends with one of the largest surfboard foam manufactures in the world and they make experimental foam and stuff for all round the world, they have been helpfull in this process too.
    Should be fun times ahead :clap: :clap:

    But…….. as I have seen in the surf side of our business, what worked 30 years ago is still the preferred method of manufacturing and what is tried and tested is often the best.

    Lets see what comes of this.

    Cheers

    Adam West

    www.firstlightsurfboards.com.au
    www.firstlightsnowboards.com.au
    www.splitfest.com.au
    www.snowsafety.com.au
    www.mrbc.com.au
    www.backcountryglobal.com
    www.alpinefirstaid.com.au

    #665645
    wasatch surf
    979 Posts

    awesome! stoked to see what happens with these

    #665646
    NatasKaput
    40 Posts

    geez, reminds me of the board i helped build for a neighbor who is 6’8″ 400lbs+ size 17 shoe, like the shapes though

    My love head wound and your free head wound
    Don't know but I even wanna try to be

    #665648
    Taylor
    780 Posts

    Firstlight: When will you be ready to work with clients to design and build these boards?

    @sun_rocket

    #665649
    firstlight
    721 Posts

    Taylor
    Soon
    Just starting the core design process.
    Splitfests are being planned and its still summer here.
    Prototypes should be ready July/Aug for testing.

    We could be ready to take custom orders Sept Oct !

    Cheers

    Adam West

    www.firstlightsurfboards.com.au
    www.firstlightsnowboards.com.au
    www.splitfest.com.au
    www.snowsafety.com.au
    www.mrbc.com.au
    www.backcountryglobal.com
    www.alpinefirstaid.com.au

    #665647
    Taylor
    780 Posts

    Firstlight: PM me when you’re ready to roll.

    @sun_rocket

    #665650
    firstlight
    721 Posts

    @taylor wrote:

    A splitboard version of this ski — twice as wide, just as long — would take things a step or two beyond Furburg, which, in my opinion, though size limited, is nonetheless on the cutting edge of off-piste board design.

    Be patient Taylor its coming!

    These will be out before Xmas.
    Just ordering the core material and finalizing the FLST 5.0.

    We will have a solid or split to choose from for JaPOW in Feb 2014.
    The Tailwalker will be the next project after that. If there is enough base and edge material we will make some of these too!

    So many things to clear up down here at the moment @ FirstLight
    *FLST 5.0 nearly finished , just need to make it lighter
    *Hardboot binding Ver3 nearly finished
    board design finalized, rocker jig just needs to be adjusted and we will have some prototypes ready for early 2014 testing in Japan.

    More info will be leaked shortly!

    Adam West

    www.firstlightsurfboards.com.au
    www.firstlightsnowboards.com.au
    www.splitfest.com.au
    www.snowsafety.com.au
    www.mrbc.com.au
    www.backcountryglobal.com
    www.alpinefirstaid.com.au

    #665651
    Taylor
    780 Posts

    Thanks for the update; glad to hear it.

    @sun_rocket

    #665652
    Norv
    35 Posts

    Awesome idea!

    Rough Estimate: How difficult/expensive will these be to get made and sent to the U.S.? You are In Australia, correct?

    #665653
    firstlight
    721 Posts

    Norv
    These are experimental boards for powder only!
    Will be testing in Feb in Japan.
    They will have slider tracks instead of inserts.
    I will let you know when they are pressed and post images then.
    Thanks for the interest

    Adam West

    www.firstlightsurfboards.com.au
    www.firstlightsnowboards.com.au
    www.splitfest.com.au
    www.snowsafety.com.au
    www.mrbc.com.au
    www.backcountryglobal.com
    www.alpinefirstaid.com.au

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