Forums Splitboard Talk Forum Feedback needed from Voile split riders…….. Viewing 20 posts - 1 through 20 (of 26 total) 1 2 → Author Posts January 19, 2005 at 1:32 am #566512 just_me 4 Posts I have a question for Voile owners. I just got my new 159 Voile split, and I rode it for the first time this weekend. First of all, I am 5’5″ January 19, 2005 at 4:33 am #580673 b_willem 8 Posts hey man, thanks for the post…i am curious to hear the replies. i have been thinkign about a the split decision and i would have to go with a 166. which is 6cm bigger than my new board. one of my friends, killclimbz rides a 166 but he’s a bit bigger than myself. i’d personally blame the snow because it was less than ideal. nothing carves through the chunks left after weekend traffic at berthoud! 😛 January 19, 2005 at 5:18 am #580674 MRP 4 Posts I have the 173, and in the pow I think that it rides pretty well. I am 5’11’ 185# so a bit heavier than you. I do find the board to have a longer turning radius than some of my others. Good luck. January 19, 2005 at 3:32 pm #580675 Killclimbz 1165 Posts I’ve been kicking around going with the 173 for my next board. My big worry is that I love darting through the trees which are often tight in spots. So I may just get another 166. Francis, stick with it. The board is definitely a bit bigger than you’re used to, and sitting a little higher above the board probably doesn’t help. Make sure you have your bindings mounted as far back as possible to help with the nose dive. I was experiencing that quite a bit myself these past few outings. It’s more to do with conditions as Will stated than your ability or the board. I know on my first outing with my split that I thought it was a bit squirrely and I had to get used to the slightly longer length than what I had been riding. It’s all good now. You’ll love the extra length in deep pow. That is why I am contemplating the larger board. If anyone has any experience on the 173 and what you think of it in tight trees let me know. I suspect I’ll just have to sack up and get one to get used to it. January 19, 2005 at 3:42 pm #580676 Micha 2 Posts I, by the way 160, jumped from my old 139 Resortboard (which was to short, today I wouldnt go under 150) to the 159 Voile (which is a bit large, but there is no smaller). At the beginning I needed a weekend to get used to it, and I still do need a day every saeson, than no difficulties except narrow treeruns. Resort riding helps a lot to get used to a longer board. Good luck. January 19, 2005 at 5:18 pm #580677 powderjunkie 1667 Posts You’ll eventually get used to the length. If you set the stance back it may help with the nose dive, but it will make it harder to initiate turns. I’d leave the stance more centered, then it won’t “feel” so long. January 19, 2005 at 6:37 pm #580678 jimjar 35 Posts I ride a 162 at the resort and own the voile 166 for my split. My first couple of rides it felt a bit long for me but I got used to it. Then I borrowed a 173 voile and am now wishing I had gone with the bigger board. Go bigger, get used to the feel and you will not want to go back to the short board. Any one have a 173 they want to trade for a 166? Oh, by the way I am just about 6 foot, 150 pounds. January 19, 2005 at 6:40 pm #580679 mtnrider 740 Posts Hey Just_me (dig the screen name btw) you’re 5’5″ but how much do you weigh? are you 125 wet and wearing boots or are you built like a brick! I’m 5’7″ and about 160-170 depending on how many donuts I’ve ate this week but… I ride a 165 Prior for my split and its quite a bit stiffer than a Voile board. I find it ideal in powder but I’d prefer a 162 for the less than ideal conditions. My regular resort set ups are a 156 Zeplin and a 162 Recon Riser. I don’t think I’d ever even buy a board under a 155 cm unless maybe you’re willing to dump off that fish…but that is just me! 😉 January 20, 2005 at 12:32 am #580680 jared 56 Posts Don’t put your stance too far back, it’ll be even harder to turn. The conditions make a difference though, practice in nice fluff so you can go faster confidently. Speed should take care of your tip dive. Worst case Prior makes splits in 149 and 154 as well as a split 156 Khyber(like a burton fish shape). You could easily sell the 159 and go smaller if the length doesn’t ever feel good. I bet Never Summer could cut a board the right size for you, too. January 20, 2005 at 1:32 am #580681 Incalescent 225 Posts I’m 5’5″ and 140 lbs. My K2 homemade split is 170+. I ride a 155-160 resort board. I’m in agreement – get the longer board and grow into it. A lot of the turn initiation & “bringing it around” issues can be improved with practice (at the resort or in the b/c). Some of this might be elementary but may be worth mentioning if it helps anyone: 1) Keep your front knee slightly flexed over your front toe just after you pass through the “dead point” (flat base ) when transitioning onto a new edge. This may help you initiate the turn with a bit more weight toward the nose, as ought be dun! As you drive the board through the turn, you should be moving the force from the nose at the beginning of the turn, to between the feet when your board is pointing straight down the hill, to the tail as you finish the turn and set up to unweight for the next one. 2) Make rounder, in-the-fall-line turns. Most of us, when we get freaked on steep slopes or in the trees, tend to bring our turns (especially heelside) around too far so as to bring our board almost perpendicular to the fall-line. Practice making rounder turns that finish closer to 45 degrees across the fall line instead of 90 degrees across it. When you’re a little guy, its really hard to get a 170 back into the fall line after you throw it horizontal to cut speed. This will help you ride a bigger board more confidently in narrow chutes & trees. Hope that wasn’t too ski-nerd. 😳 http://goldenincalescent.blogspot.com/ January 20, 2005 at 2:22 am #580682 shredder 1 Posts I have one of the first 166 split decisions and I love it… to me the board often feels too short.last season I rode a 155 for awhile then bought a santa cruz 166… this season I got the 166 voile split. it took a little getting used to the board really wants to make large turns cause of the shallow side cut. make sure your angles are set properly casue that could contribute to your turning abilities as well. I ride 21 deg in front and 9 in back… my stance is set back pretty far and I have about a 21″ width on my stance I say ride it! you will soon love it I love mine. my next one will either be a 182 split 0r the 195 swallowtail from voile. January 20, 2005 at 2:21 pm #580683 NJAB 29 Posts Just me, A good part of it is the board. I posted a review last year of my trip with a friend to Tucks with a Prior Split and Voile Split (I now own one of each) with identical bindings and stance. It was one of the best powder days in the bowl ever for me. And oth rode great. But on the way down to the parking lot, the trail was far less then perfect (a somewhat narrow trail (10′-15’wide) some POW, ice, crust, waterbars, etc). We switched boards half way down to get a comparison. And we both felt that the Voile was much more difficult to turn in those conditions. This is not a jib on the Voile Split. It’s just that in “those” January 20, 2005 at 4:43 pm #580684 Ecobrad 2068 Posts Make rounder, in-the-fall-line turns. Most of us, when we get freaked on steep slopes or in the trees, tend to bring our turns (especially heelside) around too far so as to bring our board almost perpendicular to the fall-line. Practice making rounder turns that finish closer to 45 degrees across the fall line instead of 90 degrees across it. When you’re a little guy, its really hard to get a 170 back into the fall line after you throw it horizontal to cut speed. This is huge. Great advice. I always tell beginers that speed is your friend. The board wants to be pointed down the fall-line and handles much better when it is. I know, easier said than done sometimes but something to work on for all of us. January 20, 2005 at 4:52 pm #580685 dave 100 Posts just….. what terrain do you mostly ride? i’m not familiar with Bertha Pass. mostly big open stuff?……..then stay with the long dong. mostly trees and tight stuff?………get a stubby and trade in the boat. a longer board is great for big open pow, but like most folks have been saying…….it’s harder to turn in ALL conditions that are less than perfect. get a board that you can handle, cause every day isn’t exactly a perfect one…….especially spring corn. it’ll be nice to have a board you can handle and one that doesn’t handle you. i rode a 165 NS T5 and now a 162 Nitro on lifts. 166 NS split. bindings set way back (still seems short), but it rips in all conditions. when i let go and bomb out of control into big huge open bowls i wish i was on a 173 or something bigger, but that’s the only time i wish that. all other times, i’m just fine with the 166. some days, due to avi conditions, you’re restricted to trees so it’s good that i have a board that i can ride in tree’s a little easier. i’m 6′, 170lbs what you want is an all terrain board. get an all terrain sized board for your ability. simple is as simple does……. 😆 January 20, 2005 at 5:15 pm #580686 psychomac 17 Posts I ordered the same board I ride at the resort (Legacy 163) for my split so I don’t have to worry about this sort of problem. I’m sure the Voile rides great in the virgin white and light powder of Utah, but in Colorado you need a man’s board! You can get any Never Summer board made into a split, Bently tells me. You’ve only got yourself to blame, should have bought Colordao Local (haven’t you heard about Utah?). January 27, 2005 at 6:53 pm #580687 just_me 4 Posts I bought the Voile because I got it below retail (since I am a patroller). If I could have gotten that good of a deal on a Prior or a Never Summer, I would have considered them also. But quite frankly, they were out of my budget range. The problem with Berthoud pass (and many other places in CO) is that there is no one style of riding. It usually involves powder above tree line, and lots of tight trees before you get down. It is impossible to buy one board that will excel under all circumstances here. So I have my big board, and I am just trying to make it work for me. January 27, 2005 at 7:01 pm #580688 bdub 40 Posts hey just_me, you will adapt! i have been throwing around a 170 wide board for years and am 5’10” 150#. it took a bit of time, but that has been my sole board for 5yrs. although i just picked up a voile 173 last night 😯 just ride and smile December 9, 2005 at 12:31 am #580689 Scribbs 2 Posts Longer = better Sure, there is likely a point at which this stops being true, but I haven’t found it. I am 160 lbs and ride a 181cm. Everywhere. It is a dream, a true dream. Until I rode a board that was “way too long for me” according to much conventional wisdom, I really never knew what kind of edge hold and stability one could actually expect from a snowboard. Ice? no problem. Crud? no problem? Powder? heaven. I do believe that I end up working slightly harder in very steep, very large moguls with the added length–but other than that, everything is easier on the longer board. And if it’s a split, chances of finding big ol’ moguls aren’t so good, are they? Tight trees are made easier by the extra floatation if there’s powder to be had and sure-thing edge-hold if there’s not. Is there anyone out there who has ridden a longer board–long enough to get used to it–and actually prefers a shorter one? I rode a 166 voile split last weekend and had to fight to keep the thing afloat. Too squirly, too sinky, too short. December 9, 2005 at 1:13 am #580690 Zach 127 Posts I’m a tall guy, and I’ve generally ridden a 172,but I’ve been scaling back recently… Since making the transition to hard boots, I’ve been able to maneuver shorter, skinnier boards in powder… For high-altitude stuff, I want a board as skinny and short as I can manage and still have fun.. I;m thinking 160cm, with a 23.5mm waist. Zach December 9, 2005 at 2:09 am #580691 philfort 31 Posts For what it’s worth, I started with a 173cm Voile (I’m 5’11’, 155LBS). Now I’m using mainly a 160cm Khyber, and I’ve been suprised how much float I get – doesn’t seem like I’ve lost anything over the 173, but I’m able to turn quicker. Maybe I’d suffer if I took it out in really raunchy conditions (deep, wet, heavy)… I’ll find out soon enough I guess. Viewing 20 posts - 1 through 20 (of 26 total) 1 2 → You must be logged in to reply to this topic.