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  • #574550
    silver
    167 Posts

    I adopted a young husky mix 3 months ago and took him into the local SoCal backcountry with me for the first time a few weeks ago. Turns out he loves touring too.
    [vimeo:1agzw79u]http://www.vimeo.com/20778515[/vimeo:1agzw79u]

    #637779
    Guttirides
    2 Posts

    got your self freind for live good looking dog brother

    #637780
    barrows
    1490 Posts

    Please leave your dogs at home unless they are properly trained and equipped for the backcountry. I am not a dog hater by any means, but around here there are way too many unruly dogs in the backcountry.
    To be responsible in the backcountry, dogs need to be trained. A dog in the backcountry needs to be totally responsive to voice commands, a dog in tha backcountry needs to know that shitting and urinating in the skin track is a no no. A dog in the backcountry needs to be respectful and courteous to other backcountry users, including other dogs. A dog in the backcountry needs to go only where its owner tells it to, so that it avoids both tracking out slopes, but also venturing into hazardous avalanche territory. A dog in the backcountry also needs to have its own avalanche beacon (there are small transmit only beacons for this purpose).
    Ideally a dog in the backcountry should be trained in avalanche rescue, in which case a dog can be a great asset in the event of an accident.

    #637781
    TEX
    2486 Posts

    Dang, cant see the video cause Im at work

    but- enjoy your dog. Anway YOu want. If someone gives you shit, ask to see a badge. If they have a badge, prepair for a fine ( no leash) . If they have no badge look them deep in the eye, rare back and as loud as you can yell

    FUCK OFF

    #637782
    jeri534
    159 Posts

    @barrows wrote:

    A dog in the backcountry also needs to have its own avalanche beacon (there are small transmit only beacons for this purpose).

    seriously?

    id be pissed if me and my dog got buried and they dug my dog up first instead of me.

    #637783
    barrows
    1490 Posts

    @jeri534 wrote:

    @barrows wrote:

    A dog in the backcountry also needs to have its own avalanche beacon (there are small transmit only beacons for this purpose).

    seriously?

    id be pissed if me and my dog got buried and they dug my dog up first instead of me.

    Who is “they”?
    So you would not be upset when your dog gets buried and you cannot save him/her because they have no transmitter? Essentially in this scenario you killed your innocent dog by bringing them into a dangerous situation which the animal was not prepared for. Dogs die in avalanches because of their owner’s irresponsibility. Properly trained and equipped, dogs can be both fun partners and an asset in the backcountry.
    It is not uncommon in Colorado to hear of needless dog deaths in avalanches. I know of one this year, where an irresponsible owner brought his dog into the backcountry-both owner and dog died. The owner can decide to take the risk, and accept the consequences of his actions, the dog has no such awareness of the situation, and is a victim of the owner’s poor decision making and lack of preparadness.

    #637784
    Scooby2
    613 Posts

    Big time dog Dogma there 🙄 there are many linear feet of blog written about why you do not want to have your dog transceive on the standard frequency. One exception might be when just you and your dog are touring. If you really want a transceiver for them there is the snowmobile locator product that works on a different frequency, or if you are enough of a veteran to have the blue or purple old ortovox dual frequency transceivers, you can have one altered by a electrical whiz and have your pooch transmit on the old frequency only. Or you could find an old SKADI transceiver, etc. I have no doubts that If I asked my dog if she would rather take the risk of running down avy zones with me or stay at home she would say lets go for it every time.

    http://www.mooremfg.com/sledbug.htm

    #637785
    silver
    167 Posts

    Thanks for the support guys.

    And barrows dude, stop shitting in my skintrack! (j/k but I will now use that in place of “rain on my parade”)

    On a more serious note, you raise mostly (tracking up the slope, really? and I agree with Scooby on dogs and beacons) valid concerns.

    It’s full on stable spring conditions out here in Southern California, Odin is well socialized and completely non-aggressive to both people and other dogs and while I won’t lie and say his response to voice commands is instantaneous and perfect just yet, they are more than good enough for the conditions I took him out in.

    I’m just trying to spread some joy here, not start a debate about irresponsible owners and dogs’ place in the backcountry.

    p.s. sucks that your backcountry is so crowded and sketchy in CO. You should move to SoCal where the snowpack is stable and the mountains are empty.

    #637786
    silver
    167 Posts

    Also, that sledbug setup looks pretty interesting. If I ever decide to take Odin out into more risky terrain and/or pack that seems like the way to go.

    #637787
    Killclimbz
    1165 Posts

    The sledbug doesn’t work. I purchased one for my pooch along with the transceiver so that I could track the alternate signal. Once I put batteries in the sledbug, I dropped it and it stopped transmitting. Wtf? So I removed the cover and saw that the battery had been dislodged from it’s housing. Put it back in and it turned back on. Gave it a sharp tap from the palm of my hand and it dislodged again. Poorly manufactured. SOS never responded to our questions about it. As of this point I won’t buy anything from SOS, as poorly designed as this was, I tend to believe they do a crappy job all the way around with their products. Prove me wrong.

    I have heard that there is a new alternative frequency beacon for your pooch coming out. I hope so. Right now, good decision making skills are what I use for me and my pooch. You just can’t have your dog on a 457mhz beacon like everyone else. Not kewl at all.

    And Barrows, get over it. We’ve all heard it before.

    #637788
    Scooby2
    613 Posts

    Oh, here ya go, PIEPS got on it, a different frequency transmitter only for fido:

    http://zacstracs.com/Sales/348/2011-12-gear

    #637789
    Powder_Rider
    498 Posts

    I agree with dogs should be kept “on lead” in the backcountry! Try a Skijor harness from Howling Dog Alaska see Skijor harness skijor package.http://www.howlingdogalaska.com/index.php?page=supplies. Your dog needs to be about 2 years old before you can skijor (pulling) him. The skijor-lead with a quick release can be attached to climbing harness (or a back pack or a skijor harness).

    BTW: I see a lot people ski-touring with their dog with a lead attached to the dog collar, the dog pulling hard and choking! A dog constantly pulling against their collar, can injure their trachea.

    I met far more irresponsible dog owners with their dogs unleashed and out of control; dogs not in sight of the owner and will not return to their owner on the owner’s first command, Where on-lead dog would have prevented this altercation with my team and the tormenting of wildlife as, unbeknownst to the clueless-irresponsible owner!

    We have a Siberian Husky and we enjoy taking him XC-touring (Skijoring). He really loves it! It is wonderful to work together (dog and skier) as a Skijor team. I even have a special pulk- harness for our Sib to pull our pulk with too.

    The one thing about Northern breeds (Siberian Huskies, Malamutes and Alaskans (mix husky breeds) is they love to run, so they can never be taken off lead! We acquired our Siberian as a rescue from the Buena Vista Humane Society. He was rescue as a stray. This happens alot; Huskies off-lead do not have the common sense to obey and return! Our Siberian is very well-trained, been all the way through the “high shool” clicker training. Even after all this training (24 weeks) when he has escaped(s), it was 😳 😳 😳 to get him back!

    I respectfully disagree with the following:

    A dog in the backcountry also needs to have its own avalanche beacon (there are small transmit only beacons for this purpose).

    Unless the “dog beacon” is totally on a different system (different than the standard avalanche radio frequencies) than your avalanche beacon. Because you only have a limited amount of time to find your human partner(s) first! imagine the time wasted, if your find your dog before all humans are found. Yes, I LOVE MY DOG VERY MUCH, BUT not at the expense of rescuing humans first. This above scenario, rescue a dog, before the humans, at an avalanche seminar that I recently attended, in which the outcome was did not bode-well for the human victims.

    Would the Apple I-phone avalanche applet work as a dog-beacon and not interfere with the avalanche beacon frequencies / human rescue?

    Concerning training your dog in avalanche rescue:

    Ideally a dog in the backcountry should be trained in avalanche rescue, in which case a dog can be a great asset in the event of an accident.

    .

    While Ideal, it is not realistic. I have inquired and researched Avy Rescue training for our husky, but because of his northern breed (independent nature), and the extra-amount of hours (way more than other breeds qualified for Avy-Rescue), it is not reasonable commitment for us an expectation for our husky to perform at this level. The same is true for most dog owners and expectations of the Mountain Rescue Avalanche Rescue Dog Trainers. It truly is a unique dog and owner team to complete Avy-Rescue training; Kudos to those who can complete Avy-Rescue.

    This brings us to the real point of whether one’s dog could help, ( a normally well-trained, not trained Avy-Rescue), would be a benefit, or determent and distraction. While, I am not questions a dog’s sense of smell to aid in rescue. I question whether the owner would be distracted by the dog, when the owner should be looking at their beacon and other clues in avalanche rescue. Because the owner is not trained in picking-up the correct cues from their dog.

    Lastly, if you have to call in Mountain Rescue to find a victim, with their dogs (sadly most likely a body recovery, because of the time it takes for Mountain Rescue to ), having your dog before and or in the avalanche rescue zone (tracking up the zone), messes with the Mountain Rescue Avalanche trained dog scent. This poses additional risk and time to the rescuers and their dog teams in the avalanche path!

    Silver: Good luck with your new dog Odin. Please consider Skijoring (and dog scootering), Huskies love to run! Seehttp://www.everythinghusky.com/skijor.html

    TEX: Let’s see how your attitude will change, when your unleashed dog, harasses a bear or a mountain lion, decides to run back to you for help, bringing the charging bear or mountain lion in tow. I hope it is a Grizzly Bear, for all our sakes! 😆

    Perhaps we should do a post Dogs in the Backcountry as a poll?

    #637790
    barrows
    1490 Posts

    Silver and Killz:

    I never suggested that dogs have no place in backcountry. My point is that if one is planning to bring a dog into the backcountry (especially to popular areas) it is the owners responsibility to make sure the dog is adequately trained, such that it does not diminish the experience of others, or endanger itself or its owner. This is plain and simple common courtesy to other backcountry users, and pet ownership responsibility. A dog that might endanger either itself, or others, should not brought into a situation where that is possible-this is the owners responsibility.
    Killz, I know you frequent the Berthoud Pass area, and I am sure you have likely witnessed innappropriate dog behaviour there, as well as dog owners not taking responsibility for their animals, both in terms of how they might treat strangers/other dogs, but also in how dogs are put at considerable risk by their owners.
    Once again, I am not saying “no dogs on the backcountry” (although there are sensitive areas where that is appropriate). I am saying, be responsible, make sure your dog is well trained, and will treat the other users with respect, and that dealing with your dog will not endanger either the animal, the rest of your party, or other users.

    #637791
    lifelinksplit
    282 Posts

    Blah blah blah, let’s beat “dog in the backcountry” debate to death again. Anyways nice stoke and cute pup.

    btw i own a 1 1/2 yr old siberian husky who i take touring depending on objectives and had to put down a 5yr old german shephard/wolf mix who dropped into better lines than some people I know. But it’s all your decision and I fortunately don’t have to deal with other people too often when touring. sorry for contributing to the thread drift

    #637792
    TEX
    2486 Posts

    TEX: Let’s see how your attitude will change, when your unleashed dog, harasses a bear or a mountain lion, decides to run back to you for help, bringing the charging bear or mountain lion in tow. I hope it is a Grizzly Bear, for all our sakes!

    My attitude has devloped after 49 years on this earth. I get so freaking tried on the new generation keyboard junkies who thinks they know more than anyone else, KINDA LIKE YOU.

    Its a national forest- it belongs to everyone, and you can do what you want. Take the risks YOU want to take. The only people who can tell yuou what to do in your forest is the LAW

    So like I said, after 49 years of know it alls, I realize the only know it all carries a 45 or 357 and a big shinny badge.

    And by the way, I own a Husky. He sists outside at night with no fence on open property, and he doesnt run off, he also goes to the beach and the mountains. he doesnt go on a leash and he doesnt run off. So much for you knowing anything about all huskies.

    #637793
    raym
    385 Posts

    I bring my dog out into the backcountry as much as I can, he LOVES being out with me! he has no formal backcountry training, he would rather piss on a tree and he craps off the trail. 90% of the time he’s breaking track for me, but when he gets tired he walks behing me on the track. If people are really worried about a dog post holing the track, you might want to rethink the way you skin and practice more befor you head out.

    My dog does not weair a beacon, mainley for the fact that I woudl rather be doug out first. I know that sounds selfish, but thats the way it is. One of the resons I got a dog was to be able to protect me from wild animals if need be.

    My dog, Baz, LOVES charging down the mountains in my tracks, I havent met a person yet who has been worried about my dog getting 2nd tracks after me or even worried about my dog being the reson the hill gets tracked out.

    I will only take my dog into areas I know he would be able to manage, but thats not to say somthign wont happen. If im checking out a new area I just leave him home. I woudl say that 75% of the time i tour alone, so its nice to have my dog with me, he gets exersize and I get to hang out with my best friend!

    Baz and his ‘WHOLEY SHIT, SNOW!!!!!!!” face

    #637794
    Killclimbz
    1165 Posts

    So barrows, did you learn how to evaluate avalanche terrain and travel to travel safely in avalanche terrain by just reading a book and attending a class or two? I doubt it. I know a good part of my training and experience came from the field. Same thing goes for training your dog. I won’t say Cody is a perfect dog all the time, but he’s pretty responsive to me in the field. I know I am one of the few that can cross the highway without having him on a leash. The only practical way to train your dog is to bring them in the field and show them what is up. Of course it helps if your dog is used to hiking around with you and gets basic commands and such. I won’t say that it doesn’t. You still have to work with them and know your dog’s tendencies. Most of which is hard to do without getting them out there.

    Doggy beacons. Wish we had them. Maybe, just maybe we will for next season.

    #637795
    Killclimbz
    1165 Posts

    And Silver, sorry for the thread hijacking. Your dog is pretty damn cute and looks like you are going to have a great time with him for years to come.

    #637796
    UPGRAYEDD_2505
    127 Posts

    Like most on here I go to the backcountry to get a respite from the passive-aggressive nanny-state that we’re subjected to on a day-to-day basis. Treat the mountains, your fellow humans, and your dog with the respect they deserve and all will be well.

    h8ers gonna h8.

    Cute dog. When I take mine with me, it’s more about making sure she has fun than riding steeps, technical terrain, or really deep snow. If I want to do those things, I leave my dog behind. Have fun!

    #637797
    silver
    167 Posts

    @ Barrows:
    I hear you loud and clear. I agree with the general substance of your post, particularly as stated the second time around. Assuming you’re the same barrows who rode Long’s back in the early 1990’s, you’ve got at least a decade more experience in the backcountry (including it seems some negative experiences with out of control dogs and irresponsible owners) and I have plenty of respect for that.

    @powder_rider:
    I’ll check out those harnesses. The one I was using previously rubbed Odin painfully. Although I disagree that all backcountry touring falls into this category, a good harness would be useful if I ever decide take him into situations where keeping him within 5′ at all times is necessary.

    Generally, I’m just disappointed that instead of getting stories and stoke of dogs and owners (responsibly) enjoying the backcountry my report sparked this drama and debate.

    It’s all good though, and I’ve got to get back to work.

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