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  • #678016
    Skijor AK
    33 Posts

    I wish DPS would make a split. http://www.evo.com/skis/dps-wailer-112rp2-hybrid.aspx

    Check out the camber to early rise rocker profile! http://www.dpsskis.com/en/wailer-112-rp-314.html

    Take their ski shapes and make em wide! I am tired of seeing “split” versions of resort boards.

    Furberg is close.

    #678017
    rughty
    620 Posts

    @Skijor AK wrote:

    I wish DPS would make a split. http://www.evo.com/skis/dps-wailer-112rp2-hybrid.aspx

    Check out the camber to early rise rocker profile! http://www.dpsskis.com/en/wailer-112-rp-314.html

    Take their ski shapes and make em wide! I am tired of seeing “split” versions of resort boards.

    Furberg is close.

    That camber to rocker profile isn’t really much different than the industry standard. as many have said already…I would certainly like to see more thought and testing of the board shapes we see in skis. Somebody make it please so we have something other than speculation to talk about?! :thumpsup:

    #678018
    Skijor AK
    33 Posts

    @rughty wrote:

    @Skijor AK wrote:

    I wish DPS would make a split. http://www.evo.com/skis/dps-wailer-112rp2-hybrid.aspx

    Check out the camber to early rise rocker profile! http://www.dpsskis.com/en/wailer-112-rp-314.html

    Take their ski shapes and make em wide! I am tired of seeing “split” versions of resort boards.

    Furberg is close.

    That camber to rocker profile isn’t really much different than the industry standard. as many have said already…I would certainly like to see more thought and testing of the board shapes we see in skis. Somebody make it please so we have something other than speculation to talk about?! :thumpsup:

    With reverse side-cut?

    #678019
    rughty
    620 Posts

    Not sure what you are referring to with the reverse sidecut comment so I’ll give this a stab…The shapes I’m seeing in your links (the ones I was referring to) only have reverse sidecut beyond the contact points. Awesome for float on deep days and irrelevant on hard pack or corn snow as long as the board has great dampening. Reverse sidecut in between the bindings doesn’t make much sense with a camber profile. You would be defeating the purpose of having camber at all with that configuration.

    #678020
    permnation
    303 Posts

    This thread has turned into a hunt for unicorns…improve on the furberg and you might have something.

    #678021
    powslash
    382 Posts

    @dtrain wrote:

    Hey guys. Lurk here once in awhile. Figured I post somthing fitting.

    Anywho. I’ve been building splitboards here in Prince Rupert B.C. For a couple years now. We use different variations of Sitka Spruce , Yellow Cedar, Red Cedar, and Paper Birch for cores. We don’t glass often, mostly just Basalt and Carbon.

    Nice work man. The maple leaf topsheet looks great. Can you talk about your experiments with different core woods? I’ve got a buddy down here has been experimenting with doug fir and cedar. There has been a learning curve. Some results have been subpar with the softer woods breaking down too quick.

    @fustercluck wrote:

    why not just have one board for everything

    This is crazy talk.

    @bgnight wrote:

    But everyone should have a pow specific quiver board to complement their every day board. That’s goes without saying.

    OR A HALF DOZEN.

    @permnation wrote:

    This thread has turned into a hunt for unicorns…improve on the furberg and you might have something.

    It has. Let the hunt continue I say. Shapes are fun. What improvements would you make to the Furberg? My experience with that shallow sidecut was sometimes good, sometimes bad depending on conditions. The ” calm and forgiving behavior” that Furberg touts just translated to boring for me. Not enough feedback from the board. Too calm. Too stable. And sometimes painful when that long strait edge would put too much leverage on my ankles. They seem committed to that sidecut for now so I’m curious to see what they come up with for profile, flex etc…

    #678022
    permnation
    303 Posts

    The only improvement would be to get more riders on furbergs and custom shapes to further the discussion of shapes/profiles with real world feedback. The bar has been set pretty damn high by furberg. In my opinion, the best board available. New shapes discussed in here usually get compared to furberg somewhere down the thread for a good reason. This years model may be the unicorn.

    #678023
    fustercluck
    668 Posts

    @bgnight wrote:

    @fustercluck wrote:

    But everyone should have a pow specific quiver board to complement their every day board. That’s goes without saying.

    If your every day baord isn’t a pow board you’re doing it wrong 😆 . I don’t ride shit snow unless it’s in between patches of pow (or maybe ripe corn). But I like a nice long tail for ollying off features and a balanced stance for spinning and riding switch. One of the cool things about snowboarding is we’ve ridden a bunch together and seek out the same terrain, but ride it totally differently on different setups. But my way is definitely better!

    #678024
    barrows
    1490 Posts

    @powslash wrote:

    @dtrain wrote:

    Hey guys. Lurk here once in awhile. Figured I post somthing fitting.

    Anywho. I’ve been building splitboards here in Prince Rupert B.C. For a couple years now. We use different variations of Sitka Spruce , Yellow Cedar, Red Cedar, and Paper Birch for cores. We don’t glass often, mostly just Basalt and Carbon.

    Nice work man. The maple leaf topsheet looks great. Can you talk about your experiments with different core woods? I’ve got a buddy down here has been experimenting with doug fir and cedar. There has been a learning curve. Some results have been subpar with the softer woods breaking down too quick.

    @fustercluck wrote:

    why not just have one board for everything

    This is crazy talk.

    @bgnight wrote:

    But everyone should have a pow specific quiver board to complement their every day board. That’s goes without saying.

    OR A HALF DOZEN.

    @permnation wrote:

    This thread has turned into a hunt for unicorns…improve on the furberg and you might have something.

    It has. Let the hunt continue I say. Shapes are fun. What improvements would you make to the Furberg? My experience with that shallow sidecut was sometimes good, sometimes bad depending on conditions. The ” calm and forgiving behavior” that Furberg touts just translated to boring for me. Not enough feedback from the board. Too calm. Too stable. And sometimes painful when that long strait edge would put too much leverage on my ankles. They seem committed to that sidecut for now so I’m curious to see what they come up with for profile, flex etc…

    You need to charge harder, ride faster, and seek out more demanding terrain.

    #678025
    Taylor
    785 Posts

    Deleted. Will be back up soon.

    @sun_rocket

    #678026
    powslash
    382 Posts

    ^nice find. Sticker shock $1120 for a solid. Moss snow sticks. Their swallowtails look nice… short tho.

    #678027
    barrows
    1490 Posts

    I have some issues with the Moss board. This board would probably be great in pure powder situations, but in anything variable at all the short effective edge and long tip and tail are going to create stability and vibrational problems.
    If one is looking for the best ride for absolute pure powder conditions, one would be better off riding a full reverse/reverse style board, like a Fawcett or Venture Euphoria anyway.
    I agree with Scooby that snowboards do not need as long a section of reverse sidecut (or gentle transition area if you prefer the term) as skis due the leverage differences, hence I do not think a fattened up DPS Lotus series is really what we want in a snowboard. The second generation shapes from furberg (2015 models) still feature reverse sidecut sections, but these sections are now shorter, and the effective edge is longer, I suspect the new boards will be even better (more edge grip, better edge feel in hard conditions) than the previous shapes, while retaining the easy to ride, quiet, and stable feel.

    #678028
    permnation
    303 Posts

    The Moss Sticks model The Long with 26 to 16 progressive sidecut looks cool, but at 185 the board is aptly named. The Long would be a fun board to try out if not for the cash outlay and the prolonged preorder process. The other models look like surfers, and their pics show rolling terrain and slashing…specialized little guns for the quiver. If I was in EU, I would be tracking down one or two of their boards.
    @barrows wrote:

    The second generation shapes from furberg (2015 models) still feature reverse sidecut sections, but these sections are now shorter, and the effective edge is longer, I suspect the new boards will be even better (more edge grip, better edge feel in hard conditions) than the previous shapes, while retaining the easy to ride, quiet, and stable feel.

    Barrows, what do you think the camber will do to the “centered” feeling of the rockered old models….mainly in powder and chopped pow? I really enjoy the ride of the original in all 3 sizes depending on the depth of snow. The “in between the bindings” control and ease/confidence is what has me hooked. I like the set it and forget it feeling or non-feeling….one can almost forget about the board and just ride.
    I hope it starts snowing soon! :guinness:

    #678029
    barrows
    1490 Posts

    perm:

    Yeah, I am not sure what the camber will do. I expect the amount of camber is going to be pretty subtle, and the flex pattern will likely be adjusted to suit the new profile and edge length. Hopefully the camber is subtle enough to just add some additional edge control, without altering the easy riding feeling, but there is only one way to find out.
    After having ridden the NS Prospector extensively last season, I am not a big fan of camber between the feet, but I do like the idea of some camber under the feet. Of course, how the rocker/camber profile interacts with the flex pattern, sidecut, and tip and tail shapes are all responsible for how the board ultimately feels, so it is hard to speculate on just one design aspect.

    #678030
    Taylor
    785 Posts

    I agree with that Barrows, and with Scooby’s thinking relating to long-tapered ends for rotational control: Skiers need it, we don’t, and while there’s value in longer-taper ends for off-piste snowboard shapes, for general off-piste purposes, it need not be as exaggerated as the DPS skis, or even the Gen 1 Furbergs. (That said, I think a lot depends on how design elements work together; there are many ways to skin the proverbial cat. I’m slow to write off what can and can’t be done given the general dearth of off-piste shape experimentation and evolution in the snowboard industry.)

    The Moss shape (The Long) is as close to a snowboard version of a DPS-style ski that I can recall. (Which I’ve suggested in the past.) When I’ve envisioned such shapes, it’s been for pow. High float, speed stable, easy pivot. That’s the case here too; a quiver board with a narrow purpose. In fairness to Moss, from what I’ve read, that’s its intended purpose; it’s a big pow surfer.

    What sets it apart is size. It’s the only big board in the high-float, easy-pivot pow genre–a Fawcett / Euphoria for big guys (which those aren’t). (Edit: And in this case a shape more accommodating of forward pressure than reverse sidecut shapes, which I prefer.) Unless the flex is way off, it should handle higher speed pow turns. And with long ends it should float and pivot / slarve easily at low and moderate speeds too, making it especially fun and surfy in tighter terrain, like in fresh trees.

    I may pick one up on the cheap for pow sessions, trees and side-country at Monarch. I expect it won’t be burly enough to split, at least for me and the range of conditions I typically encounter on a day out touring. But if I do pick one up, I’ll post a report once I have a good feel for it.

    Pray for snow.

    Edit: I just got aced out at the last minute on an Ebay auction on this board for $425, pretty funny.

    @sun_rocket

    #678031
    Scooby2
    605 Posts

    Given that all the pics show the board with its nose being held out of the snow and the average weight of a fit Japanese rider, I suspect the nose of that board is too flexible to drive off of in anything other than 6% or lower especially if you are 180 lbs or more. what’s the point of length if you can’t bury the whole rail with confidence? I guess just straight line float and slower speed turns in deep feathers.

    I love these Japanese board sites, fluid connection of round turns and the snowshoes take me back to the 80s and early 90s. I would think that a stack of Verts would go really fast there if customs aren’t a roadblock.

    #678032
    Taylor
    785 Posts

    Yeah, my read was/is that flex, esp. at and fore of the front foot, makes or breaks this pow shape (literally?) — at least for bigger riders. The thinness in the profile shot ^ and Moss’ emphasis on back-foot weighting in their other pow gun shapes are other warnings of flimsiness.

    But I like how they think:

    Snowboarding’s past is filled with freethinking spirits and brilliant design ideas, something that has been sorely overlooked ever since snowboarding’s early nineties ski-influenced, olympic-fueled boom.

    @sun_rocket

    #788385
    DivideRides
    8 Posts

    Hey guys, i have created a new shape that might interest some of you.

    Pictured are two cores next to a 55 twin for reference.

    294mm-270mm-290mm 164cm
    Nose lenth 360mm
    Tail length 300mm
    About a 13.5m sidecut

    Cores are a solid single piece of Alaskan yellow cedar. No sidewalls for these protos. Mold is finished. nice long rises and camber through the middle.

    I’ll post photos when done. If this shape works well, I’m gonna make a few more sizes.

    Edit: my url won’t paste from photobucket? I hate computers?

    Anyway it’s over on the divide rides facebook page

    Later

    #788387
    DivideRides
    8 Posts

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    #788389
    DivideRides
    8 Posts

    Trying again to see if it’s because I need a couple post under my belt first

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