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  • #780235
    bcall8
    125 Posts

    I apologize if there is already an old thread on this. I will be picking up my first set of crampons and wanted to see what other people have been using with snowboard boots. I an currently riding Burton Ions so I will need some sort of strap crampon. My first instinct was to go with the Black Diamond Contact because I have had good experiences with Black Diamond products. Should I look elsewhere? Are there other strap crampons that seem to fit better on snowboard boots? Also, should I stick with steel or go lighter with aluminum? Thanks

    #780242
    HansGLudwig
    601 Posts

    *If you plan on walking mostly on snow, save weight and go aluminum.
    *If you know you’re going to walk on rocks (or mixed conditions: ice, snow, & rock) go steel.
    *Some people get away with using Alu on mixed conditions by sharpening them after every use.
    *Givel makes a wide crampon which works great with snowboard boots; it’s become sort of the standard to which others are compared.
    *Camp USA’s Stalkers don’t need an aftermarket long bar to fit on big boots (snowboard boots 11+) and they come with a bag.
    In my experience, BD makes good stuff too. However. . .
    *There is talk on this forum (and other places) about cold forged stainless—from which BD makes certain ‘pons—not being so good. After it’s cooled, then bent. . . something about stresses crossing structural lines causing micro fissures. . . I don’t really understand but I have seen pics of broken tools that make my butt pucker b/c they failed pretty far off the deck. Anyway, stainless ‘pons are fine if they have no flaws (or if you don’t use them really hard), but you have to know what to look for when you inspect each, single crampon—or avoid stainless altogether and go for ChroMo or something else.

    Personally, I went with Camp Stalkers and have been pretty well pleased. They are a bit heavy but it beats not having ‘pons and I walk over thin snowpacks with exposed rock & scree. I have never wished for wider ‘pons BTW. And this time of year, you can find them for less than $100.

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    #780248
    HansGLudwig
    601 Posts

    Found the blog post
    http://coldthistle.blogspot.com/2011/08/crampon-durability-stainless-or.html

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    #780249
    HansGLudwig
    601 Posts

    Broken Toe Tooth

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    #780255
    JMAutio
    58 Posts

    I have BD Contact Straps and I cannot recommend them. They were ok on my ca 2006 malamutes (26), but very bad on 2011 malamutes and I mean VERY bad, they never stayed on. On the old mutes I was able to climb easy vertical ice (top rope) with them, but on the newer ones they dropped off while walking on snow slopes. Ofcourse the issue is partly the boot also, the newer mutes are no as stiff as the old ones, but the volume etc seems quite similar.

    I also like BD stuff in general, but these have been poor. Check Grivel G10 wides maybe? The heel loop looks higher on G10 than Contact straps, that’s how I feel I walk out of Contacts, boot flexes under toeball and pops out from the heel.

    Seems like BD has also made these stainless, another reason to steer away? I have the older ones like these
    http://www.livefortheoutdoors.com/upload/530052/images/BlackDiamond-Contact-Strap.jpg

    edit. I fitted the contact straps on my TLT6’s (hardboot) for the moment, before I´m able to try out some XLC390s on them. Guess what, the fit is pretty much perfect..

    #780258
    bcall8
    125 Posts

    Thanks guys… Hans I’m in Vegas so thin snow pack is the norm like you. These would probably only be used for spring trips to the Sierra but it sounds like I should just go steel and not worry about it. Ill look into Camp and Grivel

    #780259
    powslash
    382 Posts

    Yeah Grivel G10 is a go.

    #780324
    Incalescent
    225 Posts

    Stubai Ultralight Universal.

    I would not go steel unless I were climbing technical ice. Cost, weight, and hazard not worth it.

    If you have a heel bail and want one crampon that is more all terrain check the Petzl Sarkens.

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    #780335
    stoudema
    550 Posts

    I’ve had good luck with the Grivel Air Tech light aluminum crampons for most snow conditions. I also have a set of Grivel G12’s that work great for mixed snow/ice/rock. Used primarily on the Burton Driver X size 9 boots w/o issue…..

    #785940
    SchralphMacchio
    474 Posts

    Does anyone know which of the options discussed above in this thread have more flexible center bars? Looking at either changing the center bars in my older BD Contacts or possibly the entire crampon (with something that has a higher engagement point on the heel strap as discussed above).

    #786119
    powderjunkie
    1666 Posts

    not sure schralp

    I use stubai universal aluminum crampons and have not had any problems with them.
    i’ve heard good things about Grivel crampons.

    i have a pair of steel crampons and i never use them, just too heavy and overkill for normal couloir booting and stuff like that.

    #786163
    96avs01
    874 Posts

    Schralp, Grivel has spring steel bars that I double up to get an ideal fit with my G14s on the Spantiks for ice climbing (needed due to the rockered sole, not that I can do that for awhile though). They would work with any of the Grivel crampon lineup. Let me know if you want some pics.

    165 Venture Divide/Spark Frankenburners/La Sportiva Spantiks
    163W Jones Solution/Phantom Alphas/Dynafit TLT5s
    162 Furberg

    Chris

    #787605
    Matt Wood
    328 Posts

    Petzl Vassics. I can use them on my mountaineering boots in rigid mode and they fit my snowboard boots perfectly and easily switch to flexible. Just my 2 cents

    #818590
    Trygve
    15 Posts

    Anyone here tested the Petzl Irvis Hybrid? Steel in the front and alu in the rear, connected with Dyneema cords. Weighs in only at 550g, and was used by Ueli Stöck at his “82 summits in 62 days”. (Now he was probably a bit more balanced in his steps than most of us are….).

    #818922
    VtVolk
    28 Posts

    I use the Petzl Irvis Hybrids on my hard boots. Great pons! The are noticeably light on the feet, and the dyneema cords let them fold up to about half the size of normal crampons, making them much easier to throw in the pack. Mine came stock with both fully auto and semi auto front bails, which was a bonus.

    #823809
    Trygve
    15 Posts

    Thanks for your answer! Didnt realize I got a reply until now. I bought them myself for use on my Burton Imperial softboots (no heel welt so had to buy the heel baskets). I think they work OK on snow and hard snow at shorter segments, but on mix they flex too much around in my opinion. I ended up buying a pair of Petzl Sarken in addition for trips I know there will be longer segments of very compact snow /ice or mix.
    Another point for having hard boots haha

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