Forums Boots Atomic backlands… Thoughts on mods
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  • #826943
    velca
    3 Posts

    @VtVolk I’ve never had the chance to try the Travers but I imagine they are pretty similar to the backlands. When conditions are good or when riding powder I also never had any issues with the riding feel of hardboots. It’s rather when conditions are bad as in icy or chundery snow that I feel the difference to the more cushy softboots. So I guess the additional dampening on the highback is a welcome support for my old legs. As to opening them up completely, I personally could not ride in hard snow without highback support. ..but maybe that’s just missing technique 🙂

    @mcgo3 thanks for sharing your update on the mods, quite interesting! How do they feel on the way up? Although I did all of that on the TLT6 I am rather hesitant in cutting any slits or lowering the shell on the backlands, just because the backlands are already that much softer laterally (at least to me?!). This to the point where I see the difference in ankle support on more difficult approaches. Your boots look great for the way down, curious to hear how they perform when touring, also in more difficult (icy traverse as classic example) situations?

    #826999
    mgco3
    49 Posts

    @velca
    good point, but I have no direct comparison with the TLT6. Compared with the unmodded version, the lateral support is a bit smaller but I imagine it improves quite a lot if I would reattach the upper buckle and close it at least for ascending. But so far, the modded Backlands are still stiff enough for me to do challenging traverses.

    Amplid Milligram 163 and LabCarbon 162, Phantom Alpha 14/15, Atomic Backland, Scott Orbit II
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    #828107
    Alonzo
    3 Posts

    How does one post an image here? After two years of tooling on my Backlands, I think I have finally achieved a level of perfection such that I can call them a finished product. If some one can explain how to post pics here, I’ll post a detailed write up. Thanks.

    Cheers.

    #828109
    CB
    6 Posts

    I’d recommend uploading the pics to a shared Google photos or imgur album and then sharing the link. You are welcome to add to the one I created here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/EyRvqSBwCoKdZaZ39 .

    Alternatively you can upload your images to imgur.com/upload (or similar) and put the image url inside of an “img” tag using the button at the top of the edit box. The actual tag will look like: <img src="http://yourphotourlhere.com" alt="my image link" />

    #828167
    Alonzo
    3 Posts

    I’d recommend uploading the pics to a shared Google photos or imgur album and then sharing the link. You are welcome to add to the one I created here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/EyRvqSBwCoKdZaZ39 .

    Alternatively you can upload your images to imgur.com/upload (or similar) and put the image url inside of an “img” tag using the button at the top of the edit box. The actual tag will look like: my image link

    Thanks dude, much appreciated.

    #828190
    Alonzo
    3 Posts

    NOTE: This may be a duplicate post, though I can’t see the original.

    Okay, thanks to CB, all the mods I have made to my Backlands are viewable here: https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipPYcgKf-5OF3omv5fnifiE8CWJqhgT9-tkOWP1rgYNeet9nt0sd2A09zVlCWP1Uyg?key=SHdTT25pbFZkWUFWcWNWeGpRTnd4YUtXWTdGbTV3

    The first thing you will notice is that I obviously swapped the cuffs out completely. I’ll get to that in a second, but first I want to point to the other mods I made to the boot lowers. I cut away as much material as I felt I could get away with from the medial side, such that the plastic of the boot now sits completely below my malleolus. That freed up a lot of additional medial flex and made them much more comfortable for long skinning days.

    I also relocated the anchor point for the lower wire buckle. It now sits just above the buckle itself in the area of thicker plastic. This serves two purposes: it creates extra room for the foot in an area that doesn’t need to be tight for snowboarding, which makes the boot much more comfortable, and it now creates perfect ankle hold.

    I recommend these two mods for anyone who wants to run this boot. Even if you wish to take a conservative approach, these two mods will give a lot of bang for your buck.

    Moving on, after much pondering, I started looking around my local used sporting goods store for the right pair of old, cheap tele boots. I found a pair of old Garmonts that appear to be constructed from a high-density polyurethane (or something similar) for $40 bucks that were really soft and flexible, so I brought them home and cut/drilled them apart. I then cut the back of the cuffs into the shape I wanted, drilled new pivot holes, mounted the walk/ride lever (using heavier hardware for good measure) and mounted them to the boot lowers (again, I installed the pivots with heavier hardware). Finally, I drilled them and added an expert Booster strap to each one for tuning the forward flex and drilled holes in the highbacks to give them some extra lateral/medial flex and a more progressive rearward flex.

    I also modified the liners because they were total banana skins. I added butterfly pads to the back for additional heel hold and two layers of high-density boot foam to the upper portion of the tongue such that it added stiffness without encumbering my stride.

    I also cut the tongues out of the tele boots and cut two long slots into each one through which I run the booster straps. Between the Booster strap, the extra padding I added to the liner tongues, the tele boot tongues (which are really thin and flexible) and the stock cuff buckle and strap, I can now dial my forward flex in from as soft as the softest jib-oriented freestyle boots to that of a medium-stiff boot, like an Ion.

    Though they are obviously heavily frankensteined, my boots are now literally as comfortable as soft boots and ride just as well. Between the soft cuffs, the material I removed and the inherent flex of Phantoms, I have plenty of medial flex, and the forward flex is ample (more than most sofites) and totally progressive with no hard stop whatsoever.

    One thing that made me sad when I started cutting away material from the boot lower is that, in so doing, I vastly reduced the effectiveness of the fabric gaiter, which was a great feature. I get around this by stuffing the boot liners into a pair of Rab vapour barrier socks, which act as superior gaiters (due to the increased height). As an added bonus, they make the boots warmer, which is nice because I live in the Yukon and do all my touring in Alaska.

    If you have any questions, ask. I really think I’ve cracked the code on these boots now. I’ve ridden and toured in them extensively and they have held up, and they ride like a dream. I legitimately feel that I am not giving up anything in terms of ride quality now, whereas before the cuff swap, I definitely was even though I had made other modifications to the cuff (moved the levers for better forward lean angles, removed buckle and replaced it with Booster strap, cut down the back of the cuff).

    Cheers.

    #828244
    NorwegianDan
    109 Posts

    That is one seriously modifeied boot. Great work, interesting approach.

    More pics of what you did to the lowers would be cool.

    #828555
    tyrudder
    15 Posts

    Alonzo you’re an animal! Thanks for experimenting! While your upper cuff mod is a bit out of my league I’m definitely interested in the lower stuff. Couple questions, when moving the cable anchor did you just put it in a spot where it had similar tension? You did not adjust the length, correct? I see you left some hardware in the old place for the anchor, is this for a reason? Did you use the stock hardware to relocate the anchor? I’ve Also been battling some pain on my malleolus (learned a new word today) so I’m very interested in cutting down that area so thanks for that encouragement as well.

    #831365
    Iu hyu
    3 Posts

    A few days ago I bought the Atomic Backland Ultimate boots, the white and orange ones.
    I think the Atomic Backland Ultimate is a really good boot for snowboarding because it has a lot of flex, specially lateral flex. I tried the Atomic Backland and the Backland Carbon and they have a lot less lateral flex. I tried the Scarpa F1 (a really comfortable boot) and Scarpa Alien and they have almost no lateral flexibility. I tried also the Salomon X-alp/Arterix Procltoine and there’s a lot of lateral flexibility in this boots, but I didn’t like the lower strap position and there’s no Phantom Link for them. I also tried the Dynafit Speedfit and they have no lateral flexibility and are heavier.
    To me lateral flexibility it’s really important when snowboarding, maybe because I’ve been surfing for almost all my life, and I have a really good feeling with this boots. In my opinion you can really drop the knee to the inside, as you can see in the picture:
    https://drive.google.com/open?id=1rVKLrtks_H4vu4wrGM1R8ZDm28tn9BN3
    Following the advice from the Phantom guys, I size up. My real boot size is 28, and I bougth the 29/29,5 Atomic Backland Ultimate. I’m trying to sell the original liners which are really thin to get some money back 🙂 , because they are really like socks.
    Then I bought thick liners, the 28 size Dynafit Beast liners. I also tried the Dynafit Radical, but there wasn’t enough volume inside the boot to fit them.
    After the memoryfit process (boots and liners), the boots where comfortable but not perfect.
    I have big metatarsals (with sporadically Morton’s visits 🙁 ) and the 98mm narrow fit is not good for me. I went to a good professional boot fitter in Barcelona (Sasco esports) and now the internal metatarsal wide is 110mm. I’m now more comfortable with the AT boots than I’ve ever been with my snowboard boots Burton Tourist (even with a size up boot).
    I have ridden 8 days with the boots without modifications and the top strap with almost the less tension possible. I really like the ride. They are awesome with good snow, and acceptable with Pyreenes shitty hard snow .
    I’m thinking about changing the Backland Ultimate’s lower strap to the “frictionless pivot point” as some of you have done, but I don’t know if then the skinning mode gets worst. What do you think? Do you feel a big difference downhill with this strap modification?

    Any way, I’m f****** happy with my Ultimate’s and I can’t wait to try the Phantom link next season.

    I wouldn’t be so happy if it wasn’t for the Phantom Team and John Keffler patience and answers, and reading and reading again this forum.
    Thank you family!

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    #831741
    Method
    145 Posts

    Thanks for the awesome info re carbons vs ultimate….

    Anyone else have any experience with the ultimate?

    I am thinking of fruit booting shortly and going full high spec phantoms etc and I can get carbons in Australia but not ultimates, so wondering if it’s worth the hassle importing from the states, sizing hassles etc.

    #831909
    velca
    3 Posts

    I’m thinking about changing the Backland Ultimate’s lower strap to the “frictionless pivot point” as some of you have done, but I don’t know if then the skinning mode gets worst. What do you think? Do you feel a big difference downhill with this strap modification?

    hey lu hyu,

    i can only talk from my personal experience but I’ve been quite happy with moving the lever to the pivot point on the backlands. Unlike with the classic TLT mod where you put both sides on the pivot, I decided to only move the lever to the pivot and leave the little cable guide piece where it is. With my lever/cable size this mod even was possible without any alterations as cable length was just enough to mount and leave some play for tightening adjustments. The cable position (angle) over the instep is almost the same as if fixation would be mounted on both pivot points. And to be honest, I had it on both pivot points on the TLT6 and it made for an uncomfortable feeling (at least for me / my feet) when doing steep steps or very long strides, as the cable was cutting into the instep section. I don’t have this problem at all now and do think that the mod helps out a little with heel hold while still providing tension on the forefoot.

    Edit: Realised only now that the Ultimate has a different shell buckle setup, so don’t know if my info is of much value to you.. I do know that I tried a setup once which had the forefoot completely loose without any buckle/cable and did not like it (don’t want to exchange heel-lift for toe-lift :)) but this depends a lot on personal preference it seems..

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