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  • #800937
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    Here is a board I am stoked about, the Amplid Millisurf!

    Amplid is finally using its Milligram construction to make a carbon powder board! I wish I could of had this thing this year.

    They are making a 161/261w and a 157/259w for next season. I assume it will be 5.5 pounds.

    #800938
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    492 Posts

    #801067
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    343 Posts

    Sweeeet!!

    #801085
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    297 Posts

    My friend tested the Millisurf, it’s awesome. She’s considering upgrading her Milligram. These will sell out fast I think.

    http://flatlandsplitfest.com/

    #801542

    Excited to see one! About time another carbon semi swallow pow and variable surf inspired board has hit the mtns!!
    Iam on my 2nd Jones ultracraft and love the weight savings for long days and the surf inspired riding the board has 🙂 But sure is nice to have another option.

    #801650
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    284 Posts

    Too bad they still don’t offer wide* models…

    *wide refers to 270mm waist IMO.

    #801678
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    492 Posts

    I think they want the Millisurf to handle a wider range of conditions than a straight powder board. I appreciate that because I rarely just deal with powder on a powder day here in the Eastern Sierra (except this year).

    I have seen really wide resort boards intended to avoid boot out while carving. For a big footed person, maybe 270 is not that wide.

    FlolmSchnee, have you skinned 270mm+ waist splitboards? Seems like it would get to be a pain in the butt in some conditions.

    #801682
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    I used to ride 26cm boards forever, last two years skinning with a 27.5. I haven’t noticed a difference with the extra 7-8mm on each side, but can tell the float difference riding. The wider board just seems to push back out of turns harder despite it being a little softer than the previous board at 26.

    With the more rigid connection of a hard boot (or K2 kwicker like I use) maybe the difference is less noticeable than with a soft binding. I cut some nasty steep traverses and kick turns this year.

    #801691
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    Yeah, I consider 27 cm a minimum width for my size 12s because I’m forever paranoid about boot-out, even though boot-out is rarely an issue in the snow or short BSL Aliens that I ride (but when boot-out is an issue, it really, really is).

    I prefer 28s for the extra float and freedom of angulation. I don’t really notice a difference skinning 14, 13.5, or 13 cm wide skis other than perhaps that they offer a bit more traction with wider carpet.

    And the Millisurf – beautiful board, and I’m sure it too will get rave reviews… But I would be remiss on this forum to not poke fun at the bold 157 and a 161 size offerings – like, why not a 159 too?

    @sun_rocket

    #801794
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    492 Posts

    Of course. You two and your giant splits. ; )

    I am impressed that you do not notice a difference skinning those board widths. I have not skinned anything over 260 waist, but the best board for firm sidehilling I ever owned was also the narrowest split I have owned at 245 waist (122.5 skis).

    As far as length, give me the shortest board that rides well. I once had a 178 Voile swallow tail and really disliked skinning that board, especially kick turns. Scooby, I know your bigger boards are really light which must help skinning.

    I had the first year 156 Hovercraft at the same time as a 166 Spearhead and a 6′ (182cm) Dupraz D1. Each had their own personality, but they had almost the same float related surface area. The Spearhead’s additional 10 cm were mostly in the tail and the Dupraz had both a tail and a very elongated nose. Overall length is not necessarily a good indicator of float. If you want to make huge GS turns in open powder bowls, a big board is probably your friend. I am after versatility in the backcountry and prefer a board that can do it all well.

    The 157 Millisurf will be plenty for me. Now they just need to make a 153 for my wife. ; )

    #801809
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    At the risk of thread drift, I agree Buell: It matters hugely where the surface area is located, and overall running length is but one variable. I’ve got a Dupraz D2 193(?) but most of its length is in a useless fancy pointy shovel. Its effective surface area, that which is actually interacting with snow, is similar to many boards 20 cm shorter.

    My Scooby-made 187 Preflex is my preferred big gun for big turns in big open terrain these days. It gets that job done beautifully. Otherwise, my go-to split is a 173 gen 1 Furberg — as small of a board that I can get away with that is capable across a range of conditions and speeds and turn types while still floating well in all but the driest blower.

    @sun_rocket

    #801815
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    I’m interested in seeing this in person, looks cool. Rumor is there will be one at Silverton Splitfest. One thing I would say is the tail clips may be challenging to get to stay in place with that design. I use the BD ski tail clips on my Slasher, but it has perfectly straight tail so it fits perfect. My 162 Prior Slasher XTC I’m not sure exact weight, but its probably around 6.25lbs or so (total with phantom bindings and system is 9.9 lbs), I’d guess this is even lighter, probably 5.5 lbs for the 161. The slasher has a different shape then the millisurf, bigger nose, more sidecut, and probably rides a bit shorter than the size says. I’d say the millisurf looks more hovercraft style, probably better well rounded. I also prefer a white topsheet over the black. I can’t tell you if it actually sheds more snow with white, but it looks cool.

    I personally don’t see myself getting a millisurf because I have a comparable quiver board, but its sweet to see more lightweight boards coming out. Hopefully it sets more industry shift to this style. The Milligram I’d love to ride for those spring days, i’m curious to see how it handles speed. if anyone has a 158 and is going to splitfest, I’d love to try it out.

    #801890
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    “The 157 Millisurf will be plenty for me. Now they just need to make a 153 for my wife. ; )”

    Buell, you could always just cut 4 or 5cm off the tail. That actually might put the front binding inserts closer the right place for her 😉

    #802101
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    Wow, I am very interested in more info on the Millisurf… I am thinking this may be a daily driver for me. Guys, we need to really think about length in regards to float… a super long pointy nose like on a Dupraz does nothing, it is just 20 cm of extra board which is not even contacting the snow. a 161 millisurf with it’s short tail looks like it probably has equal contact length to that of a 167-168 standard freeride shape, and equal to a much longer “pointy nose” type board. With a bit more waist width, it looks like the 161 Millisurf will have plenty of float… too bad I could never convince Peter Bauer to put a 12-16 meter radius and 26.8 waist on it for even more float!

    Still, this board looks versatile enough to ride not just pow, but tech steeps and variable as well. The nose design is certainly going to be nice and forgiving in tricky conditions, and the lightweight combined with the short tail would make even desperate hop turns easier to manage. If the new anti vibe tech really works, perhaps Amplid has totally solved carbon’s tendency to have some bad vibes…

    Buell, any ideas on specs, specifically sidecut radius and taper amounts? Sure hope there is at least a cm of taper…

    #802104
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    too bad I could never convince Peter Bauer to put a 12-16 meter radius and 26.8 waist on it for even more float!

    What were his reasons for not wanting to make a board like that?

    furberglin' since 2012

    #802107
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    Nice to hear from you Barrows.

    There is 18mm of taper. The running length seems a bit short for the overall length considering the tail is so short, but it is so hard to define in the era of early rise noses. That measurement might be with the board laying flat on a hard surface. When you put it on edge, even slightly, you get another 8 to 10 cm of edge length.

    Amplid will be at the Silverton Spitfest so, if you are going, you might get to try one.

    We will have to wait until the board is in hand to understand the flex pattern and if it could be a daily driver. In the Eastern Sierra snow, I expect to stick with the Milligram for any non powder day, but it is important that the Millisurf handle all conditions well because there is often significant wind affect on powder days there. A chute full of powder will be firm windboard at the top. You are not getting to the powder unless you ride the steepest part of the chute on firm snow.

    I am interested to try the “Antiphase” construction as well. I have been amazed how quiet the Milligram is in all conditions. It would be cool if the new construction is even better.

    Peter seems to like design trends and ideas to distill down a bit into the important pieces. I have ridden a number of Amplids now and they are all smooth and predictable boards that perform the way they are designed. I doubt you will see a 12-16m sidecut board very soon, but I would not be surprised to see a Millisurf with a close to 270 waist at some point. Next year they are offering a 165 Milligram with a 265 waist so a 270 waist Millisurf is not a big jump.

    Millisurf specs:

    157 Millisurf
    259 wide
    310 nose
    291.5 tail
    112 running length
    9.1 sidecut
    camber underfoot, early rise nose

    161 Millisurf
    261 wide
    312 nose
    293.5 tail
    9.1 sidecut
    116 running length
    camber underfoot, early rise nose

    #802160
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    Permnation: Peter Bauer was World Cup Slalom specialist, and he has a penchant for really loading up the sidecut and flex of the board and then using that energy to accelerate out of turns… he mentioned this to me once when I suggested less sidecut. Of course, backcountry conditions are rarely appropriate for this riding style! But, like most snowboard companies, Amplid sells boards developed mostly for typical inbounds riding conditions…
    We have all these companies now jumping on the “new shapes” bandwagon (really most of these are old shapes from the 80s though!). But they all still have the standard 8-9 meter radii sidecuts, I really find it too bad that more folks are not exploring longer radii in combination with the tapered pow shapes… Less sidecut equals more float, especially through turns (as anyone who has ridden a Furberg or Chimera Dum Dum knows full well). The logical extension of this is seen very obviously in the design of many noboards, often with full reverse shapes (Grassroots etc). While a full reverse does not have the versatility I need, a board with 14-18 m radii really helps both in float and smooth control in variable and steeps. I would love to see these short tail, tapered shapes married with less sidecut.
    Wow, I am surprised the 161 Millisurf does not have more contact length, weird, Buell, like you are saying, maybe they are not measuring it in regard to the sidecut, and are leaving out the early rise portion. The Trapper Trout Trap looks pretty good in this regard to me, a 160 squarish tail with 126 cm of contact and a really good nose shape.
    For me, I would love to see a 162 with a nice early rise pow nose (squared off) and 126-128 contact, and 15 mm of taper and 14 meter radius, combine this with a 26.8 W for 28 mondo boots and a medium/stiff flex…

    #802170
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    742 Posts

    It really is remarkable and too bad that, even after Furberg so beautifully blew up design convention, only a handful of companies (two? – Furberg and Chimera?) have produced long radius sidecut designs.

    @sun_rocket

    #802173
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    219 Posts

    Barrows/Buell, thanks for the insight.

    (two? – Furberg and Chimera?) have produced long radius sidecut designs.

    Nobile (formerly Contract snowboards) has a 20m model http://nobilesnowboards.com/products/megadune-n5-dr

    furberglin' since 2012

    #802176
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    492 Posts

    Barrows, I was thinking more about the Millisurf edge measurement.

    Running length to me has always meant the ends of the contact points when the board is laying flat on a hard surface. Effective edge has always been how much edge contact there is when the board is put slightly on edge. Before rocker and early rise noses, these were effectively the same measurement. Now, the running length can be quite short and the effective edge can be quite long if the early rise nose and tail are subtle enough.

    Amplid is calling their measurement ‘running length”. Peter likes longer effective edges overall on his boards, so for now, I am going to assume that the effective edge is longer than that. Probably, since there is not much of a tail, it is in the 120s.

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